Comments on: The Election in Light of Romans 8:28 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: mjw149 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-270266 mjw149 Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:06:22 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-270266 Christians who want to participate in democracy, and then decide everything on one issue like abortion? Idiots. Obama is closer to being Christ's disciple than you all are. At least his world isn't one-dimensional. Didn't Christ help a centurion? Didn't he ignore Jewish revolutionaries to help the poor and preach to the clueless? Would you condemn Christ for aiding the evil Roman party? For failing to support the new, Jewish pure party? This is how the Pharisees thought, and accused Christs' disciples of working on the Sabbath, and it bothered Jesus not at all. Because Jesus didn't come to give us new rules to get us into Heaven, he showed us a better way to live. He certainly wouldn't vote on the basis of one religious rule. Spending your time denouncing and guilting and accusing will get you nowhere. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "What measure you measure against others will be measured against you". Jesus didn't spend his time in judgment against others, but only those who misused God's word to enter into judgment against others. You want to vote for the Republicans and pretend they do no wrong. All of us have blood on our hands, none of us are innocent. Who is to say that allowing abortions is worse than making war? That allowing homosexuality is worse than ignoring the poor? Welcome to democracy. This is why the really legalistic don't participate (I'm thinking Mennonites and Amish). And why Jesus wasn't legalistic. Christians who want to participate in democracy, and then decide everything on one issue like abortion? Idiots. Obama is closer to being Christ’s disciple than you all are. At least his world isn’t one-dimensional. Didn’t Christ help a centurion? Didn’t he ignore Jewish revolutionaries to help the poor and preach to the clueless? Would you condemn Christ for aiding the evil Roman party? For failing to support the new, Jewish pure party?

This is how the Pharisees thought, and accused Christs’ disciples of working on the Sabbath, and it bothered Jesus not at all. Because Jesus didn’t come to give us new rules to get us into Heaven, he showed us a better way to live. He certainly wouldn’t vote on the basis of one religious rule.

Spending your time denouncing and guilting and accusing will get you nowhere. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and “What measure you measure against others will be measured against you”. Jesus didn’t spend his time in judgment against others, but only those who misused God’s word to enter into judgment against others.

You want to vote for the Republicans and pretend they do no wrong. All of us have blood on our hands, none of us are innocent. Who is to say that allowing abortions is worse than making war? That allowing homosexuality is worse than ignoring the poor? Welcome to democracy. This is why the really legalistic don’t participate (I’m thinking Mennonites and Amish). And why Jesus wasn’t legalistic.

]]> By: Karie http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-247714 Karie Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:42:59 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-247714 http://www.lifenews.com/nat4559.html OK, here is another example of how we as Christians are going to be effected and involved in government and politics. Again, what are we going to do? Our taxpayer dollars will be funding murder. Taxpayer funded abortion and stem cell research. Giving people permission to murder innocent lives is one things, but asking others who are opposed to fund the holocaust of children is another. What are we to do? Really, that is a question I pose here. Sit by in silence. Speak up on behalf of the innocent as they are being taken to the slaughter. Fast and Pray Say God is sovereign, He is allowing this. What about our young men and women? Do they really know that this is a life and death issue? Have they ever been taught in youth group or college and career ministries or from the pulpit why abortion is murder, directly sharing exactly what it is how it is done. I used to volunteer in an abortion alternative clinic years ago. I was shocked at the ignorance of not only the young teenage girls, but the moms and older pregnant women who came in, when I would share fetal development with them, they did not know that it was a baby, but thought is a "blob" of tissue. That is something I was deceived about too at one time. These kids don't know why homosexuality is wrong either. So, something is wrong. Our kids are raised in church and believe the lies of the world. I wonder if we took a count in church how many under the age of 30 in our churches voted for Obama, I think we would be surprised. http://www.lifenews.com/nat4559.html

OK, here is another example of how we as Christians are going to be effected and involved in government and politics. Again, what are we going to do?

Our taxpayer dollars will be funding murder. Taxpayer funded abortion and stem cell research.

Giving people permission to murder innocent lives is one things, but asking others who are opposed to fund the holocaust of children is another.

What are we to do? Really, that is a question I pose here.

Sit by in silence.

Speak up on behalf of the innocent as they are being taken to the slaughter.

Fast and Pray

Say God is sovereign, He is allowing this.

What about our young men and women? Do they really know that this is a life and death issue?

Have they ever been taught in youth group or college and career ministries or from the pulpit why abortion is murder, directly sharing exactly what it is how it is done.

I used to volunteer in an abortion alternative clinic years ago. I was shocked at the ignorance of not only the young teenage girls, but the moms and older pregnant women who came in, when I would share fetal development with them, they did not know that it was a baby, but thought is a “blob” of tissue. That is something I was deceived about too at one time. These kids don’t know why homosexuality is wrong either. So, something is wrong. Our kids are raised in church and believe the lies of the world. I wonder if we took a count in church how many under the age of 30 in our churches voted for Obama, I think we would be surprised.

]]> By: Karie-Vallejo, CA http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-247127 Karie-Vallejo, CA Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:04:48 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-247127 http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php?&ArticleID=4154 Right now, at this very time, gay rights activists and supporters are gathering all over CA to protest. According to fox news, right now at this moment, they are saying they are going to target Christians and churches. This is exactly what I have been saying in all the posts I have written here. Now that it is personally going to effect individual christians and targeting churches, what are we going to do? As I look on this personally, my daughter works in SF, she is 18. Last week she called and said she was surrounded by these volitile protesters all around on Market street, people yelling out in intimidation, Vote for Obama, No on prop. 8. Here we go church. Again, my question on all those lengthly "rambling" posts above, Are we ready for persecution. Jesus warned us, the apostles warned us, they told us what would happen and our response, and it was not just great theological truths spouted off. Are we all going to scatter or come together? We once heard a Romanian pastor speak and you know what he called us, in love of course, "God's spoiled children." http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php?&ArticleID=4154

Right now, at this very time, gay rights activists and supporters are gathering all over CA to protest. According to fox news, right now at this moment, they are saying they are going to target Christians and churches.
This is exactly what I have been saying in all the posts I have written here. Now that it is personally going to effect individual christians and targeting churches, what are we going to do? As I look on this personally, my daughter works in SF, she is 18. Last week she called and said she was surrounded by these volitile protesters all around on Market street, people yelling out in intimidation, Vote for Obama, No on prop. 8. Here we go church. Again, my question on all those lengthly “rambling” posts above, Are we ready for persecution. Jesus warned us, the apostles warned us, they told us what would happen and our response, and it was not just great theological truths spouted off. Are we all going to scatter or come together? We once heard a Romanian pastor speak and you know what he called us, in love of course, “God’s spoiled children.”

]]> By: Julia http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-247003 Julia Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:34:42 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-247003 Thank you Nathan, for the very helpful article, and to all commenters for their thoughts. And, of course, thanks to God for giving me strength through His people when I needed it. :-) Thank you Nathan, for the very helpful article, and to all commenters for their thoughts. And, of course, thanks to God for giving me strength through His people when I needed it. :-)

]]> By: Zoe http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246933 Zoe Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:21:44 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246933 Amen, Dan! Amen, Dan!

]]> By: Not a voter indeed http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246907 Not a voter indeed Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:01:43 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246907 I am pleased to say that I did not waste my precious time voting for either of the candidates. I mean, how could I possibly support, much less be loyal to any political candidate who is already corrupted himself with homosexuality and greed (John MaCain appeared on the Ellen Degeneous show). Not to mention both candidates, regardless of their political affliation, and many members of congress who were up for grabs on Nov. 4th voted yes to the $700 billion bailout that we be using our tax dollars to feed the mouths of those greedy investment bankers without much of a care to what their constituents wanted, thereby giving even more control to the FED Reserve (which in reality is a private corporation of a few elitists who are fabulously wealthy). To me, any vote on my behalf is tantamount to an endorsement of their Satantic schemes, or Satan and his agenda. Most of these politicians are easily seduced by lucrative "carrots" and are really dissimulating as good guys who actually care about you! (see Galatians 2 beginning verse 11). I am pleased to say that I did not waste my precious time voting for either of the candidates. I mean, how could I possibly support, much less be loyal to any political candidate who is already corrupted himself with homosexuality and greed (John MaCain appeared on the Ellen Degeneous show). Not to mention both candidates, regardless of their political affliation, and many members of congress who were up for grabs on Nov. 4th voted yes to the $700 billion bailout that we be using our tax dollars to feed the mouths of those greedy investment bankers without much of a care to what their constituents wanted, thereby giving even more control to the FED Reserve (which in reality is a private corporation of a few elitists who are fabulously wealthy).

To me, any vote on my behalf is tantamount to an endorsement of their Satantic schemes, or Satan and his agenda. Most of these politicians are easily seduced by lucrative “carrots” and are really dissimulating as good guys who actually care about you! (see Galatians 2 beginning verse 11).

]]> By: Dan http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246775 Dan Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:32:13 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246775 As to the Sovereignty of God in elections and politics, I've been preaching through Isaiah this last month (chapters 36-39). It's interesting that in between two of Judah's worst kings (Ahaz, Manasseh) is Judah's best king (Hezekiah). In the midst of political and religious chaos, God raised up one of the greatest revivals in Biblical history through Hezekiah and Isaiah. Think of this time in America as an opportunity for the hope of the gospel and revival in the church. As to the Sovereignty of God in elections and politics, I’ve been preaching through Isaiah this last month (chapters 36-39). It’s interesting that in between two of Judah’s worst kings (Ahaz, Manasseh) is Judah’s best king (Hezekiah). In the midst of political and religious chaos, God raised up one of the greatest revivals in Biblical history through Hezekiah and Isaiah. Think of this time in America as an opportunity for the hope of the gospel and revival in the church.

]]> By: Betsy Markman http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246753 Betsy Markman Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:14:46 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246753 A hearty "Amen" to your post! One of the first things people in a democracy should realize is that their government is not a problem inflicted upon the people...the government is a symptom of the people's problems! If we were truly one nation "under God," we wouldn't have the same candidates running, or the same issues to deal with. Our country is what its people have made of it. We speak of praying for our leaders, and of course we should do so. But our leaders rose up out of our neighborhoods. Are we reaching our neighbors? (I ask this to my shame, since I'm not doing very well there...) Well, regardless, God is sovereign, and this is the source of the hope that we ought to be showing to the world; a hope so remarkable that it makes people come up and ask us the reason for it! May we shine that brightly for Him! (P.S. I'm not a pastor or a church leader, just a God-centered blogger. I hope it's still ok to post a comment here!) Betsy Markman http://justanotherclaypot.blogspot.com/2008/11/grief-and-disillusionment-bring-new.html A hearty “Amen” to your post!
One of the first things people in a democracy should realize is that their government is not a problem inflicted upon the people…the government is a symptom of the people’s problems! If we were truly one nation “under God,” we wouldn’t have the same candidates running, or the same issues to deal with. Our country is what its people have made of it.

We speak of praying for our leaders, and of course we should do so. But our leaders rose up out of our neighborhoods. Are we reaching our neighbors? (I ask this to my shame, since I’m not doing very well there…)

Well, regardless, God is sovereign, and this is the source of the hope that we ought to be showing to the world; a hope so remarkable that it makes people come up and ask us the reason for it! May we shine that brightly for Him!

(P.S. I’m not a pastor or a church leader, just a God-centered blogger. I hope it’s still ok to post a comment here!)

Betsy Markman
http://justanotherclaypot.blogspot.com/2008/11/grief-and-disillusionment-bring-new.html

]]> By: Karie http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246637 Karie Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:45:13 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246637 Terry you are right. But as I sit here watching the approximately one million entranced, mesmerized, DECEIVED people worshipping the man Barach Obama and the more depressing scenes of Oprah Winfrey with her head on Michael Moore's shoulder. I wish so badly that I could be happy for our dear and precious black brothers and sisters, but I can't. It's not that I would not want a black man as president, just not that black man Barack Obama. Yes Terry God is in control, He has allowed this man to become our president, for His plans and purposes, of which I believe to be judgement. I just look on that spectacle of all those people celebrating and feel a deep sadness in my heart. May the Lord help us in the days ahead as reality for these folks sets in and promises are broken, to be used as a witness for the true King, the real HOPE, and the transforming CHANGE only The Lord of Lords and King of Kings can bring. Psalm 2 Terry you are right. But as I sit here watching the approximately one million entranced, mesmerized, DECEIVED people worshipping the man Barach Obama and the more depressing scenes of Oprah Winfrey with her head on Michael Moore’s shoulder. I wish so badly that I could be happy for our dear and precious black brothers and sisters, but I can’t. It’s not that I would not want a black man as president, just not that black man Barack Obama. Yes Terry God is in control, He has allowed this man to become our president, for His plans and purposes, of which I believe to be judgement. I just look on that spectacle of all those people celebrating and feel a deep sadness in my heart. May the Lord help us in the days ahead as reality for these folks sets in and promises are broken, to be used as a witness for the true King, the real HOPE, and the transforming CHANGE only The Lord of Lords and King of Kings can bring. Psalm 2

]]> By: C http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/comment-page-1/#comment-246609 C Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:32:26 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/11/03/the-election-in-light-of-romans-828/#comment-246609 Wow Karie, You talk about the wise virgins being ready. Jesus was talking about being ready for His return (not about being ready for a nation that might be led by an unbeliever). Why would someone think if they can vote for the right person, they can stop any persecution. The bible tells us that persecution will come. Wow Karie,

You talk about the wise virgins being ready. Jesus was talking about being ready for His return (not about being ready for a nation that might be led by an unbeliever). Why would someone think if they can vote for the right person, they can stop any persecution. The bible tells us that persecution will come.

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