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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-246781</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Vince,
Sorry I'm late in commenting on this, but your statement:
“special days (including the Sabbath)” This is false! Paul does NOT specify the Sabbath but refers to practices which he calls “weak and beggarly elements” (vs9) Surely Paul was refering to a pagan calendar rather than the 4th Commandment of the Almighty."
I am currently preaching through Galatians and cannot find any agreement with your interpretation on this passage in Chapter 4:8-11.  Not a single commentary or study note.  The Galatians were not about to fall back into paganism (pagan festivals and lunar calendar stuff).  Their problem was the doctrine of the Judaizers.  They were "bewitched" into thinking that getting saved and sanctification came as a result of OT Law observance (circumcision, kosher foods, and Sabbath keeping as this verse IN CONTEXT is clearly referring to).  In other words, the Judaizer message was in order for the Gentiles to get to Jesus, they have to go through Judaism and OT law observance.  They are turning back to enslavement into the Law, being "under the Law" (4:1-5).  Pagan festivals has nothing at all to do with their temptation to fall from grace.  How do you Sabbatarians wrestle with Paul's argument regarding being "under the Law", especially when he calls it "a different gospel"?  
Another point that I fail to see Sabbatarians address is the fact that the Sabbath observance is the "Sign" of the Old Covenant, which no Christian is under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,<br />
Sorry I&#8217;m late in commenting on this, but your statement:<br />
“special days (including the Sabbath)” This is false! Paul does NOT specify the Sabbath but refers to practices which he calls “weak and beggarly elements” (vs9) Surely Paul was refering to a pagan calendar rather than the 4th Commandment of the Almighty.&#8221;<br />
I am currently preaching through Galatians and cannot find any agreement with your interpretation on this passage in Chapter 4:8-11.  Not a single commentary or study note.  The Galatians were not about to fall back into paganism (pagan festivals and lunar calendar stuff).  Their problem was the doctrine of the Judaizers.  They were &#8220;bewitched&#8221; into thinking that getting saved and sanctification came as a result of OT Law observance (circumcision, kosher foods, and Sabbath keeping as this verse IN CONTEXT is clearly referring to).  In other words, the Judaizer message was in order for the Gentiles to get to Jesus, they have to go through Judaism and OT law observance.  They are turning back to enslavement into the Law, being &#8220;under the Law&#8221; (4:1-5).  Pagan festivals has nothing at all to do with their temptation to fall from grace.  How do you Sabbatarians wrestle with Paul&#8217;s argument regarding being &#8220;under the Law&#8221;, especially when he calls it &#8220;a different gospel&#8221;?<br />
Another point that I fail to see Sabbatarians address is the fact that the Sabbath observance is the &#8220;Sign&#8221; of the Old Covenant, which no Christian is under.
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		<title>by: Sean Daily</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-215281</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry I missed this when the debate was on.  I've posted about both this very statement on my blog because I was disappointed with it's sloppiness, but more to the point, the interpretation of Col. 2:16-17 has been appalling for its lack of correct hermeneutics.  See my link if you want to see what I mean.
Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed this when the debate was on.  I&#8217;ve posted about both this very statement on my blog because I was disappointed with it&#8217;s sloppiness, but more to the point, the interpretation of Col. 2:16-17 has been appalling for its lack of correct hermeneutics.  See my link if you want to see what I mean.<br />
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		<title>by: Dennis Fischer</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-204942</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interestingly, I have never met a Sabbatarian who repudiated that the weekly, Sabbath shewbread (12 loaves) did not point forward to Jesus, the Bread of Life.  Moreover, I have never met a Sabbatarian who repudiated that the additional sacrifices on the weekly, festal Sabbath did not point to Jesus, the Lamb of God.  Therefore, our Sabbatarian friends actually acknowledge the ritual or ceremonial elements in the Fourth Commandment as well. 

Let us continue to pray that they will also discover Jesus as their only, true Sabbath Rest (Matt. 11:28-39; Col. 2:16-17, Heb.4:1-10). Indeed, those who continue to observe any of the shadows pointing to the Cross are actually denying the reality of Jesus Christ (although often ignorantly).   

A former SDA minister,

Dennis Fischer
E-mail: dfministries@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, I have never met a Sabbatarian who repudiated that the weekly, Sabbath shewbread (12 loaves) did not point forward to Jesus, the Bread of Life.  Moreover, I have never met a Sabbatarian who repudiated that the additional sacrifices on the weekly, festal Sabbath did not point to Jesus, the Lamb of God.  Therefore, our Sabbatarian friends actually acknowledge the ritual or ceremonial elements in the Fourth Commandment as well. </p>
<p>Let us continue to pray that they will also discover Jesus as their only, true Sabbath Rest (Matt. 11:28-39; Col. 2:16-17, Heb.4:1-10). Indeed, those who continue to observe any of the shadows pointing to the Cross are actually denying the reality of Jesus Christ (although often ignorantly).   </p>
<p>A former SDA minister,</p>
<p>Dennis Fischer<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:dfministries@gmail.com">dfministries@gmail.com</a>
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		<title>by: Michael C</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-203045</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nathan,
Sorry about the delay, I haven't come back to this post since last time I commented.  Yes, Bunyan did hold to a 'Christian Sabbath'; however, he argued against it being moral law or a creation ordinance.  Walter Chantry admits that if Bunyan's arguments are left to stand, they would undermine his own (Covenantal) position on the Sabbath.  You wouldn't agree with him on points, and I wouldn't agree with him on points, but we have both read him.  
CJ, if you had not been 'born from above' (John 3:7), you would not come to Christ in faith.  "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life." John 6:47.  "But this is the work of God, that you believe in Him, whom He has sent." John 6:29.  To come to Christ is to believe in Him (see John 6:35), and all that the Father gives to Him, will come to Him (verse 37).  "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved...For by grace you have been saved...Eph. 2:4-8.  Yes, our salvation has both a present reality and a future promise (glorification), but if you belong to Christ you are saved right now.  I am not 'lost' if I am (present tense) saved.  The 'calling' in Matt. 22:14 is not the same thing as the calling in Rom. 8:28.  The first is the general call of the gospel, the second, is the effectual call of the Holy Spirit to those given to Christ by the Father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
Sorry about the delay, I haven&#8217;t come back to this post since last time I commented.  Yes, Bunyan did hold to a &#8216;Christian Sabbath&#8217;; however, he argued against it being moral law or a creation ordinance.  Walter Chantry admits that if Bunyan&#8217;s arguments are left to stand, they would undermine his own (Covenantal) position on the Sabbath.  You wouldn&#8217;t agree with him on points, and I wouldn&#8217;t agree with him on points, but we have both read him.<br />
CJ, if you had not been &#8216;born from above&#8217; (John 3:7), you would not come to Christ in faith.  &#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.&#8221; John 6:47.  &#8220;But this is the work of God, that you believe in Him, whom He has sent.&#8221; John 6:29.  To come to Christ is to believe in Him (see John 6:35), and all that the Father gives to Him, will come to Him (verse 37).  &#8220;But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved&#8230;For by grace you have been saved&#8230;Eph. 2:4-8.  Yes, our salvation has both a present reality and a future promise (glorification), but if you belong to Christ you are saved right now.  I am not &#8216;lost&#8217; if I am (present tense) saved.  The &#8216;calling&#8217; in Matt. 22:14 is not the same thing as the calling in Rom. 8:28.  The first is the general call of the gospel, the second, is the effectual call of the Holy Spirit to those given to Christ by the Father.
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		<title>by: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-194228</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Guys don't forget that a kingdom is a form of government — a monarchy. A Government must have laws. We are very close to the commencement of the millennial kingdom where our King will rule. We will rule with Him, and we will rule over the nations. Now, you can choose to behave like one who wants to rule with Him, or you will be ruled over, and may be called least in the Kingdom.

Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST IN THE KINGDOM of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT IN THE KINGDOM of heaven. 

The kingdom of heaven is coming to earth. We pray "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

Do you love Him? Then keep His commandments — at least the Ten Commandments — at least. Ten, not nine. He wrote them with His own finger on two stone tablets. You have ten toes, and two feet. Don't forget that. REMEMBER the Sabbath...

It's ALL ABOUT LOVE! Do you love Him?

1Jn 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 

Joh 15:10  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 

The choice is yours. You will learn it sooner or later, whether you like it or not.

"...when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." — Isa 26:9

Christians repent!

"...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." — Rev 18:4

We will rule with a rod of iron in LOVE. We will not tolerate disobedience from evildoers. There was enough bloodshed, murder, rape, and torture here on earth. We will not allow it to happen again. If we were obedient, this world would not have been a cesspool of iniquity. Love sometimes means that you have to stone 10 murderers to save 10,000 loved ones. Meditate on this!

Rev 2:27  And he shall RULE them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 

We must acknowledge that we are lost, and that we need to be saved from the coming destruction. Satan is furious, and he is coming for us: "...Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." — Rev 12:12

You are not saved yet. You are CALLED. "For many are called, but few are chosen." — Mat 22:14. Neither are you born again. Don't mistake it with the spiritual experience you had when Yeshua (Jesus) called you, or when you experienced His wonderful love, or when you gave your heart to Him.

Mat 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, IN THE REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

You will be born again (in the regeneration) when you receive your new spiritual body — the body Yeshua had when He appeared to many after his resurrection. Those that died in Christ will be saved from their graves.

ONLY BY HIS GRACE will we be saved from the things that's soon to come over this world.

Keep good courage, and don't lose your faith.

God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys don&#8217;t forget that a kingdom is a form of government — a monarchy. A Government must have laws. We are very close to the commencement of the millennial kingdom where our King will rule. We will rule with Him, and we will rule over the nations. Now, you can choose to behave like one who wants to rule with Him, or you will be ruled over, and may be called least in the Kingdom.</p>
<p>Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST IN THE KINGDOM of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT IN THE KINGDOM of heaven. </p>
<p>The kingdom of heaven is coming to earth. We pray &#8220;Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you love Him? Then keep His commandments — at least the Ten Commandments — at least. Ten, not nine. He wrote them with His own finger on two stone tablets. You have ten toes, and two feet. Don&#8217;t forget that. REMEMBER the Sabbath&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ALL ABOUT LOVE! Do you love Him?</p>
<p>1Jn 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. </p>
<p>Joh 15:10  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father&#8217;s commandments, and abide in his love. </p>
<p>The choice is yours. You will learn it sooner or later, whether you like it or not.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.&#8221; — Isa 26:9</p>
<p>Christians repent!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.&#8221; — Rev 18:4</p>
<p>We will rule with a rod of iron in LOVE. We will not tolerate disobedience from evildoers. There was enough bloodshed, murder, rape, and torture here on earth. We will not allow it to happen again. If we were obedient, this world would not have been a cesspool of iniquity. Love sometimes means that you have to stone 10 murderers to save 10,000 loved ones. Meditate on this!</p>
<p>Rev 2:27  And he shall RULE them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. </p>
<p>We must acknowledge that we are lost, and that we need to be saved from the coming destruction. Satan is furious, and he is coming for us: &#8220;&#8230;Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.&#8221; — Rev 12:12</p>
<p>You are not saved yet. You are CALLED. &#8220;For many are called, but few are chosen.&#8221; — Mat 22:14. Neither are you born again. Don&#8217;t mistake it with the spiritual experience you had when Yeshua (Jesus) called you, or when you experienced His wonderful love, or when you gave your heart to Him.</p>
<p>Mat 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, IN THE REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.</p>
<p>You will be born again (in the regeneration) when you receive your new spiritual body — the body Yeshua had when He appeared to many after his resurrection. Those that died in Christ will be saved from their graves.</p>
<p>ONLY BY HIS GRACE will we be saved from the things that&#8217;s soon to come over this world.</p>
<p>Keep good courage, and don&#8217;t lose your faith.</p>
<p>God bless!
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		<title>by: Jonathan Vandor</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-193949</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Vince,

1. "Acts 20:7 doesn’t indicate a change of Sabbath days." I totally agree with you... notice in my post to which you refer, the word "if". "Sunday doesn’t equate to Sabbath." Again we agree! "New Covenant people are free from... the Mosaic Law as a whole." Great... I guess I can lie, commit adultery, murder, covet, and so on... but I don't think so.

2. "Heb. 13:8 is simply terrible handling of Scripture. Note that the stament is Heb. 13, refers to the CHARACTER of Jesus." Would you prefer Mal 3:6 or Psalm 102:27?

3. "James 2:10 indicates that “whoever keeps the whole Law and yet it stumbles in one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” What do you do with the rest of the Law? The other 603 Commandments. Hypocrisy." Perhaps this post on my blog may help you understand where I am coming from: it is entitled, WHAT DOES THE LAW HAVE TO DO WITH JUSTIFICATION AND SANCTIFICATION?

http://col2v8.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-does-law-have-to-do-with.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vince,</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Acts 20:7 doesn’t indicate a change of Sabbath days.&#8221; I totally agree with you&#8230; notice in my post to which you refer, the word &#8220;if&#8221;. &#8220;Sunday doesn’t equate to Sabbath.&#8221; Again we agree! &#8220;New Covenant people are free from&#8230; the Mosaic Law as a whole.&#8221; Great&#8230; I guess I can lie, commit adultery, murder, covet, and so on&#8230; but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Heb. 13:8 is simply terrible handling of Scripture. Note that the stament is Heb. 13, refers to the CHARACTER of Jesus.&#8221; Would you prefer Mal 3:6 or Psalm 102:27?</p>
<p>3. &#8220;James 2:10 indicates that “whoever keeps the whole Law and yet it stumbles in one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” What do you do with the rest of the Law? The other 603 Commandments. Hypocrisy.&#8221; Perhaps this post on my blog may help you understand where I am coming from: it is entitled, WHAT DOES THE LAW HAVE TO DO WITH JUSTIFICATION AND SANCTIFICATION?</p>
<p><a href='http://col2v8.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-does-law-have-to-do-with.html' rel='nofollow'>http://col2v8.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-does-law-have-to-do-with.html</a>
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		<title>by: Gen</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-193942</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sabbath is the only day God sanctified and blessed, no verse in the Bible that says He did that to sunday.


Exo 20:11 For in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.


Keeping the Sabbath holy is in the universal (for Jews and Christians) 10 Commandments, there is NO commandment in the whole Bible that says we should worship God on sunday and we should keep sunday holy.


Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.


When the Messiah returns, Jews and non-Jews will worship God on Sabbath, NOT sunday, this proves Sabbath Keeping was not abolished.


Isa 66:23 And it will be, from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, ALL FLESH will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.


Sabbath keeping is an ETERNAL COVENANT between YaHWeH and His people, worshiping on sunday is not a covenant.


Exodus 31:16-17 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.


Contrary to what most Christians believe, the New Covenant means the Torah (Law) will be written in the hearts and minds, therefore the Torah was not abolished. The New Covenant was given to Israel and Judah only, this means Christians are part of Israel (Read Ephesians 2, Romans 11) and are NOT exempted from the Torah.


Hebrews 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, He said to them, “Behold, days are coming, says Yahweh, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,” because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says YaHWeH. For this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says YaHWeH: I will put MY LAWS into their MIND and write them in their HEARTS, and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabbath is the only day God sanctified and blessed, no verse in the Bible that says He did that to sunday.</p>
<p>Exo 20:11 For in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.</p>
<p>Keeping the Sabbath holy is in the universal (for Jews and Christians) 10 Commandments, there is NO commandment in the whole Bible that says we should worship God on sunday and we should keep sunday holy.</p>
<p>Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.</p>
<p>When the Messiah returns, Jews and non-Jews will worship God on Sabbath, NOT sunday, this proves Sabbath Keeping was not abolished.</p>
<p>Isa 66:23 And it will be, from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, ALL FLESH will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.</p>
<p>Sabbath keeping is an ETERNAL COVENANT between YaHWeH and His people, worshiping on sunday is not a covenant.</p>
<p>Exodus 31:16-17 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.</p>
<p>Contrary to what most Christians believe, the New Covenant means the Torah (Law) will be written in the hearts and minds, therefore the Torah was not abolished. The New Covenant was given to Israel and Judah only, this means Christians are part of Israel (Read Ephesians 2, Romans 11) and are NOT exempted from the Torah.</p>
<p>Hebrews 8:8-10 For finding fault with them, He said to them, “Behold, days are coming, says Yahweh, and I will make an end on the house of Israel and on the house of Judah; a new covenant shall be, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,” because they did not continue in My covenant, and I did not regard them, says YaHWeH. For this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says YaHWeH: I will put MY LAWS into their MIND and write them in their HEARTS, and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
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		<title>by: Keith B.</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-193790</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Vince,

Pardon me for a second, but I'm going to take some of your statements out of context:

"It would be good to read the whole chapter."

"But obviously you don’t even care about rightly dividing the word."

"So if you are planning on getting stuck on a deserted island - make sure you have a Bible with you. Perhaps you will have time to study carefully."

I think it would be wise to rethink the manner in which you state your arguments.  What is your real motivation in posting here?  After all, "...though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

On a related note, I am on your side of the argument.

Grace and peace,

Keith B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince,</p>
<p>Pardon me for a second, but I&#8217;m going to take some of your statements out of context:</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be good to read the whole chapter.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But obviously you don’t even care about rightly dividing the word.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So if you are planning on getting stuck on a deserted island - make sure you have a Bible with you. Perhaps you will have time to study carefully.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it would be wise to rethink the manner in which you state your arguments.  What is your real motivation in posting here?  After all, &#8220;&#8230;though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>On a related note, I am on your side of the argument.</p>
<p>Grace and peace,</p>
<p>Keith B.
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		<title>by: Nathan White</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-190731</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Michael--

Perhaps my comment came across as too harsh. I love the folks at GCC/Masters/MacArthur, and strive to attend the Shepherd's Conference at least every other year. 

Ironically, I used to be a dispensational, and used to defend with fervor the position advocated here and other tenants of dispensationalism which are advocated by the wonderful ministry above. However, about a year or so ago I was convinced otherwise, of course. 

But to clarify, of course we all read and love church fathers who we differ with on secondary issues. My point wasn't to say otherwise, but to point out how (in my opinion) the Sabbath position can be so flippantly written off, while our bookstores are almost exclusively filled with men who would so firmly disagree (Bunyan, BTW, taught the Sabbath). 

My concern isn't that good men disagree, but that their arguments for doing so are shallow and full of fallacies, especially given the cloud of witnesses who believed and taught so fervently on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael&#8211;</p>
<p>Perhaps my comment came across as too harsh. I love the folks at GCC/Masters/MacArthur, and strive to attend the Shepherd&#8217;s Conference at least every other year. </p>
<p>Ironically, I used to be a dispensational, and used to defend with fervor the position advocated here and other tenants of dispensationalism which are advocated by the wonderful ministry above. However, about a year or so ago I was convinced otherwise, of course. </p>
<p>But to clarify, of course we all read and love church fathers who we differ with on secondary issues. My point wasn&#8217;t to say otherwise, but to point out how (in my opinion) the Sabbath position can be so flippantly written off, while our bookstores are almost exclusively filled with men who would so firmly disagree (Bunyan, BTW, taught the Sabbath). </p>
<p>My concern isn&#8217;t that good men disagree, but that their arguments for doing so are shallow and full of fallacies, especially given the cloud of witnesses who believed and taught so fervently on the issue.
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		<title>by: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/28/christians-and-the-sabbath/#comment-190578</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I also believe in keeping the Sabbath — the Lunar Sabbath, because of Gen 1:14, and many other verses.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the MOON UNDER HER FEET, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven..., 

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my SABBATHS TO BE A SIGN between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 

Mat 24:42 WATCH therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH. 

See also Eze 22:26, Rev 2:17, Isa 66:23, Mar 15:33, Joh 19:31, Amo 8:5, Jer 31:35, Exo 31:13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe in keeping the Sabbath — the Lunar Sabbath, because of Gen 1:14, and many other verses.</p>
<p>Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the MOON UNDER HER FEET, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.</p>
<p>Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven&#8230;, </p>
<p>Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my SABBATHS TO BE A SIGN between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. </p>
<p>Mat 24:42 WATCH therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.</p>
<p>Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then LOOK UP, and lift up your heads; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH. </p>
<p>See also Eze 22:26, Rev 2:17, Isa 66:23, Mar 15:33, Joh 19:31, Amo 8:5, Jer 31:35, Exo 31:13.
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