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	<title>Comments on: Back from Mars (Part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/10/back-from-mars-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-281956</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate you came that Sunday. I love Mars and I thought that teaching time was pretty rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate you came that Sunday. I love Mars and I thought that teaching time was pretty rough.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/07/10/back-from-mars-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-280997</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brant,

I don&#039;t believe Nathan was faulting Mars Hill for having no pulpit or being flashy. I actually credit them with this. Too much &quot;stage show&quot; in worship services now-a-days.

Michael, I have David Crowder Band albums and have seen them live multiple times. They are not a &quot;seeker-sensitive&quot; band. They worship God with the talents they have and are unashamed to proclaim the gospel (the WHOLE gospel &gt; see their song &quot;God of Wrath&quot;). To say that they are &quot;seeker-sensitive&quot; because they use a banjo in some songs and have a &quot;bluegrass&quot; feel is ridiculous. This is who they are.

Gosh, some people are looking quite hard to find faults in others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brant,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Nathan was faulting Mars Hill for having no pulpit or being flashy. I actually credit them with this. Too much &#8220;stage show&#8221; in worship services now-a-days.</p>
<p>Michael, I have David Crowder Band albums and have seen them live multiple times. They are not a &#8220;seeker-sensitive&#8221; band. They worship God with the talents they have and are unashamed to proclaim the gospel (the WHOLE gospel &gt; see their song &#8220;God of Wrath&#8221;). To say that they are &#8220;seeker-sensitive&#8221; because they use a banjo in some songs and have a &#8220;bluegrass&#8221; feel is ridiculous. This is who they are.</p>
<p>Gosh, some people are looking quite hard to find faults in others.</p>
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		<title>By: Karie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Crowder band of Waco, TX.  Many, many churches, non seeker and non-emergent sing several of their songs.  The song that brought them into church worship was Oh Praise Him:All this for a King.  David Crowder is part of the ECM movement, but he has made at least 3 songs that are sung in churches where the most of the congregation does not even know about the ECM and is anti-seeker.  Here is a newer Crowder song.

David Crowder Band - Wholly Yours lyrics
Artist: David Crowder Band lyrics
Album: A Collision
Year: 2005
Title: Wholly Yours   Print
 Correct  


 Complimentary &quot;Wholly Yours&quot; Ringtone  


I am full of earth
You are heaven’s worth
I am stained with dirt, prone to depravity
You are everything that is bright and clean
The antonym of me
You are divinity
But a certain sign of grace is this
From the broken earth flowers come up 
Pushing through the dirt

You are holy, holy, holy
All heaven cries “Holy, holy God”
You are holy, holy, holy
I want to be holy like You are

You are everything that is bright and clean
And You’re covering me with Your majesty
And the truest sign of grace was this
From wounded hands redemption fell down
Liberating man
But the harder I try the more clearly can I feel
The depth of our fall and the weight of it all
And so this might could be the most impossible thing
Your grandness in me making me clean

Glory, hallelujah
Glory, glory, hallelujah
So here I am, all of me
Finally everything
Wholly, wholly, wholly
I am wholly, wholly
I am wholly, wholly, wholly
Yours

I am full of earth and dirt and You
[ Wholly Yours 

I really like the song, Oh Praise Him, I do not like David Crowders new music.  David Crowder is kind of a funky, quirky, ragamuffin type, in looks that is, but probably in Brennan Manning&#039;s definition too. BUT, of course that is another subject...

I will continue to sing the 3 Crowder band songs I like, just like I will continue to sing Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing, a song written by a guy who eventully fell away from the Lord ironically after writing &quot;Prone to wander, Lord I feel it, Prone to leave the God I love.&quot;  I don&#039;t know, I think he was struggling at the time he wrote it.  But, I think he should have clung to &quot;Oh to Grace How Great a Debtor, Daily I&#039;m constrained to Be, Let Thy Goodness Like a Fetter Bind my Wandering Heart To Thee.&quot; Did Mr. Robiness get right?  I hope so, but nevertheless,  I will still sing that song..:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Crowder band of Waco, TX.  Many, many churches, non seeker and non-emergent sing several of their songs.  The song that brought them into church worship was Oh Praise Him:All this for a King.  David Crowder is part of the ECM movement, but he has made at least 3 songs that are sung in churches where the most of the congregation does not even know about the ECM and is anti-seeker.  Here is a newer Crowder song.</p>
<p>David Crowder Band &#8211; Wholly Yours lyrics<br />
Artist: David Crowder Band lyrics<br />
Album: A Collision<br />
Year: 2005<br />
Title: Wholly Yours   Print<br />
 Correct  </p>
<p> Complimentary &#8220;Wholly Yours&#8221; Ringtone  </p>
<p>I am full of earth<br />
You are heaven’s worth<br />
I am stained with dirt, prone to depravity<br />
You are everything that is bright and clean<br />
The antonym of me<br />
You are divinity<br />
But a certain sign of grace is this<br />
From the broken earth flowers come up<br />
Pushing through the dirt</p>
<p>You are holy, holy, holy<br />
All heaven cries “Holy, holy God”<br />
You are holy, holy, holy<br />
I want to be holy like You are</p>
<p>You are everything that is bright and clean<br />
And You’re covering me with Your majesty<br />
And the truest sign of grace was this<br />
From wounded hands redemption fell down<br />
Liberating man<br />
But the harder I try the more clearly can I feel<br />
The depth of our fall and the weight of it all<br />
And so this might could be the most impossible thing<br />
Your grandness in me making me clean</p>
<p>Glory, hallelujah<br />
Glory, glory, hallelujah<br />
So here I am, all of me<br />
Finally everything<br />
Wholly, wholly, wholly<br />
I am wholly, wholly<br />
I am wholly, wholly, wholly<br />
Yours</p>
<p>I am full of earth and dirt and You<br />
[ Wholly Yours </p>
<p>I really like the song, Oh Praise Him, I do not like David Crowders new music.  David Crowder is kind of a funky, quirky, ragamuffin type, in looks that is, but probably in Brennan Manning&#8217;s definition too. BUT, of course that is another subject&#8230;</p>
<p>I will continue to sing the 3 Crowder band songs I like, just like I will continue to sing Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing, a song written by a guy who eventully fell away from the Lord ironically after writing &#8220;Prone to wander, Lord I feel it, Prone to leave the God I love.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know, I think he was struggling at the time he wrote it.  But, I think he should have clung to &#8220;Oh to Grace How Great a Debtor, Daily I&#8217;m constrained to Be, Let Thy Goodness Like a Fetter Bind my Wandering Heart To Thee.&#8221; Did Mr. Robiness get right?  I hope so, but nevertheless,  I will still sing that song..:)</p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well...so far in this article we find a guy attacking the look of this church.So what if there is not a pulpit?So what if there is a stage in the middle of the sanctuary?And so what if they call it &quot;gatherings&quot; as opposed to services?Jesus didn&#039;t speak from a pulpit.He taught on hilltops and in caves.At the houses of sinners and on bodies of water.

Just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;so far in this article we find a guy attacking the look of this church.So what if there is not a pulpit?So what if there is a stage in the middle of the sanctuary?And so what if they call it &#8220;gatherings&#8221; as opposed to services?Jesus didn&#8217;t speak from a pulpit.He taught on hilltops and in caves.At the houses of sinners and on bodies of water.</p>
<p>Just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: &lt;i&gt;How does the Crowder Band ‘cover’these people?&lt;/i&gt;

cover: to record or performe of a song previously recorded by another performer (or in this case, written by someone else)

If you follow the links that I provided in my post, you will go to lyrics of various David Crowder songs, originally penned by those men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: <i>How does the Crowder Band ‘cover’these people?</i></p>
<p>cover: to record or performe of a song previously recorded by another performer (or in this case, written by someone else)</p>
<p>If you follow the links that I provided in my post, you will go to lyrics of various David Crowder songs, originally penned by those men.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenson,

 Thanks for the comment. My goal wasn&#039;t to critique every single aspect of the experience. I wanted to try to recount as accurately as possible what happened without a confusing amount of commentary from me.

NW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenson,</p>
<p> Thanks for the comment. My goal wasn&#8217;t to critique every single aspect of the experience. I wanted to try to recount as accurately as possible what happened without a confusing amount of commentary from me.</p>
<p>NW</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coldplay is not a Christian band, is it?  Aren&#039;t they into alternative rock?  Why would a church be playing their music over the speakers?  Sounds like the &#039;Emergent church&#039; (Bell probably wouldn&#039;t classify themselves as emergent) hasn&#039;t gotten totally away from the seeker philosophy of giving the people what they want (i.e. identifying with poplular culture).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coldplay is not a Christian band, is it?  Aren&#8217;t they into alternative rock?  Why would a church be playing their music over the speakers?  Sounds like the &#8216;Emergent church&#8217; (Bell probably wouldn&#8217;t classify themselves as emergent) hasn&#8217;t gotten totally away from the seeker philosophy of giving the people what they want (i.e. identifying with poplular culture).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brendt,
What do you mean by:

&quot;Would that be when they’re covering John Wesley, John W. Peterson, or Francis of Assisi?&quot;

How does the Crowder Band &#039;cover&#039;these people?  

Are you saying they pattern some of their music after these men?  Hopefully, they aren&#039;t copying some of their theology (at least for Wesley and St. Francis).  I was mainly speaking about all the different styles of music that Wikipedia had listed for the band (folk, bluegrass, alternative, worship).  If a church is using bluegrass, or alternative, or rock... worship music, then this would fit with the seeker philosophy of &quot;giving the people what they want&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brendt,<br />
What do you mean by:</p>
<p>&#8220;Would that be when they’re covering John Wesley, John W. Peterson, or Francis of Assisi?&#8221;</p>
<p>How does the Crowder Band &#8216;cover&#8217;these people?  </p>
<p>Are you saying they pattern some of their music after these men?  Hopefully, they aren&#8217;t copying some of their theology (at least for Wesley and St. Francis).  I was mainly speaking about all the different styles of music that Wikipedia had listed for the band (folk, bluegrass, alternative, worship).  If a church is using bluegrass, or alternative, or rock&#8230; worship music, then this would fit with the seeker philosophy of &#8220;giving the people what they want&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nathan,

&quot;We came into the side of the auditorium and were greeted with the sound of the new Coldplay album coming through the speakers.&quot;

You are too kind with your assessment. I would have fault them on this first point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nathan,</p>
<p>&#8220;We came into the side of the auditorium and were greeted with the sound of the new Coldplay album coming through the speakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are too kind with your assessment. I would have fault them on this first point.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this supposed to be an attempt at an honest evaluation? You used italics, quotations, or parenthetical comments a number of times, apparently to distinguish or set apart some aspect of their internal jargon. &quot;gathering&quot; for service, for example. Was this playful? Sarcastic?

You wrote, &quot;Who would be arrogant enough to say that they really know which side of the stage would be the front?&quot; Is that what they say? 

We have strong disagreement with some of their theological meanderings. However, if you are going to &quot;blog&quot; your visit there and offer a supposedly neutral evaluation of their praxis (of course, from a &quot;biblical&quot; perspective), why not cut the side-comments and deal incisively with the actual experience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this supposed to be an attempt at an honest evaluation? You used italics, quotations, or parenthetical comments a number of times, apparently to distinguish or set apart some aspect of their internal jargon. &#8220;gathering&#8221; for service, for example. Was this playful? Sarcastic?</p>
<p>You wrote, &#8220;Who would be arrogant enough to say that they really know which side of the stage would be the front?&#8221; Is that what they say? </p>
<p>We have strong disagreement with some of their theological meanderings. However, if you are going to &#8220;blog&#8221; your visit there and offer a supposedly neutral evaluation of their praxis (of course, from a &#8220;biblical&#8221; perspective), why not cut the side-comments and deal incisively with the actual experience?</p>
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