In Christ,
Phil Perkins.

In Christ,
Phil Perkins.

In Christ,
Phil Perkins.

You’ve posted the proof yourself. Except in addition you included the sins “greed, swindling, and idoltry.”

So please post your resources showing how the men in this conference have committed these sins.

It’s easy to cast stones and throw in a Scripture to justify it. Even heretics to that.

As far as your call for me to post resources that it’s o.k. to bring heresy into the church. Good one. I didn’t claim that.

Also, look up the word “backpedaling”.

As to your eat-the-meat-and-spit-out-the-bones bromide, the Scripture has another food metaphor that speaks to the same thing. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. I know that‘s not quite corn-pone-quality material, but all I had was a Bible. The school where you got that particular nonsense has now adopted (until further notice) a text for pastoral ministries that is pro-homosexual marriage, mocks repentance, and calls holiness a mental problem.

Oh well. Maybe they just swallowed a bone.

Phil.

The organizers of any event like this are in very deep sin. They have given a platform for McManus and Kimball to influence all sorts of folks. AND they are paying them to do so. Even pagan law punishes both the hit man and the one who hired the hit man. Is God so lax toward those who would kill the soul?

And that brings up another issue for the readers: If you go there and pay your way, you, too, will be helping to pay these guys to do their false teaching. “If any man comes to you, not bearing this doctrine, don’t receive into the house, and don’t even greet him. Because the one greeting him has fellowship in his evil deeds..

Lastly, if you take the I Cor. 5 passage as only applying to communion, remember you will go there, sit under their teaching and pray with them as they lead the prayers. We aren’t allowed to even let them in to our assembly (church). I think common sense dictates we don’t go their place and assemble with them. Or is holiness something to do with geography or what building you‘re in?

In Christ,
Phil Perkins. PS–I wanted to answer you earlier, but was unable to take the time.

“Let me, Let me, Let me tell you about Je-Je-Jesus.”

Alex, in fairness to the conference, I would not equate it to being “satanic.” I think we can recognize that many of the speakers there are on our team, not on the devil’s team.

And Phil, I agree with the doctrine of separation, but also take that passage to be referring to the church, and to particularly communion. I’m not sure that it applies to a conference like this, but I do see the principle of not being influenced by those that are sexually immoral. However, I have never heard of McManus or Kimball being accused of sexual immorality, so that might be a bit overboard.

That being said, I do want to reiterate the point of this post. In an effort to reach the lost, it is not necessary to be innovative. Changing titles, changing messages, and adopting business-like savvy will not be an effective way of reaching the lost. The obsession with numbers (promising “exponential growth” and “influencing others to stay in your church”) completely misses the point. And, what is obvious to many, is that the kind of “church” that McManus and Kimball advance ends up harming people spiritually.

I think successful models of evangelism are seen by RUF, which is possibly the nations largest evangelistic college ministry, and certainly the fastest growing, and definitely the least innovative—thus not represented at this conference. I think of the resurgence in the Southern Baptist Churches after the leadership of Mohler. I think of Grace’s thriving 800 person college ministry, largely built on new converts. And, I think that if you looked at your own church-your own life, even- you would see that the most succesful evangelism, where people are converted to Christ, was perhaps the most personal and the least “innovative” of all of our evangelistic attempts.