Comments on: 2+2=4 and the Sufficiency of Scripture http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: John Drollinger http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-124115 John Drollinger Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:46:26 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-124115 Wow! Thanks Joel. That article was quite bizarre. It's a pdf so i can't copy and paste, but he concludes "in dispatching our pastoral and teaching duties, we must teach people how to avail themselves appropriately of the extra-biblical knowledge available...great harm has been done by over-commitment to the Bible here." I was interested to read the article b/c I wanted to see if he had a biblical basis for his thesis. I'd appreciate someone double-checking me, but I did not find one specific Bible quotation, nor even a reference in parentheses, in the whole paper! Over-commitment to the Bible is one thing, no commitment is another. I guess Mr. Moreland, tragically in this case, walks his talk. Thank you, Pastor John and others, for your "over-commitment" to the Bible =) Wow! Thanks Joel. That article was quite bizarre. It’s a pdf so i can’t copy and paste, but he concludes “in dispatching our pastoral and teaching duties, we must teach people how to avail themselves appropriately of the extra-biblical knowledge available…great harm has been done by over-commitment to the Bible here.”

I was interested to read the article b/c I wanted to see if he had a biblical basis for his thesis. I’d appreciate someone double-checking me, but I did not find one specific Bible quotation, nor even a reference in parentheses, in the whole paper! Over-commitment to the Bible is one thing, no commitment is another.

I guess Mr. Moreland, tragically in this case, walks his talk.

Thank you, Pastor John and others, for your “over-commitment” to the Bible =)

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Here is a link to the JP Moreland article that I think the first blogger mentioned.

http://www.kingdomtriangle.com/discussion/moreland_EvangOverCommBible.pdf

Mr. Moreland seems to not hold to a view that Scripture is “sufficient” for all things pertaining to life and godliness.

Hope this helps.

By His grace and for His glory,

Joel

]]> By: John Drollinger http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-122819 John Drollinger Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:09:35 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-122819 Truth Unites...and Divides (or anyone else) Do you know where or how we can read JP Morelands article on Biblioidolatry that you mentioned? Thanks Truth Unites…and Divides (or anyone else)

Do you know where or how we can read JP Morelands article on Biblioidolatry that you mentioned?

Thanks

]]> By: Joel http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-121881 Joel Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:30:34 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-121881 This article is so true. As my Biblical Counseling professor said "Human observation apart from divine revelation leads us to frustration." We in our pride and arrogance often think we can properly discern things apart from God's Word. Is this not what for example Charles Darwin did? But Jeremiah 17:9 says our hearts are desperately wicked. Paul says the wisdom of man fails in comparison with the wisdom of God in 1 Corinthians 1. Solomon said we are to "Trust in the Lord with all of our heart, and lean NOT ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING." We are to look to God's Word as it is truly sufficient for all things pertaining to life and godliness. David said it so clearly in Psalm 119:24 "Your word is my counselor" Lord Revive us according to your Word! By His grace and for His glory, Joel This article is so true.

As my Biblical Counseling professor said “Human observation apart from divine revelation leads us to frustration.”

We in our pride and arrogance often think we can properly discern things apart from God’s Word. Is this not what for example Charles Darwin did? But Jeremiah 17:9 says our hearts are desperately wicked.
Paul says the wisdom of man fails in comparison with the wisdom of God in 1 Corinthians 1.
Solomon said we are to “Trust in the Lord with all of our heart, and lean NOT ON OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING.”

We are to look to God’s Word as it is truly sufficient for all things pertaining to life and godliness.

David said it so clearly in Psalm 119:24
“Your word is my counselor”

Lord Revive us according to your Word!

By His grace and for His glory,

Joel

]]> By: Drew http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-120197 Drew Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:39:03 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-120197 But even the ability to bake tasty muffins has to do with the fall and our inability to think clearly to read instructions and our continual failure to manage our schedules so that we have time to make tasty muffins and our lack of prudence in not easily finding tasty muffin recipes. Just kidding, sort of. This was an very helpful article. While I was kidding in the above comments, I do think that the truth of the gospel bears on all issues in our lives no matter how small. I think that is why integrationist counseling often errs, because they abandon the "creation/fall/redemption" mindset that is absolutely essential for living the way God intended us to or as you say, "godly living." Blessings, Drew But even the ability to bake tasty muffins has to do with the fall and our inability to think clearly to read instructions and our continual failure to manage our schedules so that we have time to make tasty muffins and our lack of prudence in not easily finding tasty muffin recipes.

Just kidding, sort of. This was an very helpful article. While I was kidding in the above comments, I do think that the truth of the gospel bears on all issues in our lives no matter how small. I think that is why integrationist counseling often errs, because they abandon the “creation/fall/redemption” mindset that is absolutely essential for living the way God intended us to or as you say, “godly living.”

Blessings,
Drew

]]> By: William du Plooy http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-119159 William du Plooy Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:35:17 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-119159 I have posted my comments to my Blog, as I am still experiencing difficulties posting to this article's thread. Please see: http://boerseuntjie.multiply.com/journal/item/3/The_Sufficiency_of_Scripture_Biblical_Counselling_and_Pop_Psychology By His grace alone. I have posted my comments to my Blog, as I am still experiencing difficulties posting to this article’s thread.

Please see:
http://boerseuntjie.multiply.com/journal/item/3/The_Sufficiency_of_Scripture_Biblical_Counselling_and_Pop_Psychology

By His grace alone.

]]> By: David M. http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-119024 David M. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:49:14 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-119024 Once one has seen the example of Christ and heard the truths of Christian living in the NT, ANY scripture has the same effect, I find. Reading about dead kings and ancient holy wars still engenders humility, thankfulness, patience etc. as much as any epistle. The Word truly is sufficient. Once one has seen the example of Christ and heard the truths of Christian living in the NT, ANY scripture has the same effect, I find. Reading about dead kings and ancient holy wars still engenders humility, thankfulness, patience etc. as much as any epistle. The Word truly is sufficient.

]]> By: Lisa http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-119020 Lisa Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:21:32 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-119020 Dear William, Your entry is right on, and I will check back to see its continuence. Thanks! Lisa Dear William,
Your entry is right on, and I will check back to see its continuence.
Thanks!
Lisa

]]> By: Pastor Steve http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-119000 Pastor Steve Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:57:22 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-119000 Great discussion and good blog article during the week of Jesus' death and resurrection. If the Gospel isn't about transformation and if Romans 6-8 didn't exist, then psychology might (even a stretch) be the equivalent of addressing an issue that isn't covered in God's revelation. However, anything that the field of psychology discovers that is not simply subjective, you can find addressed in God's Word. That is why I really liked this article because you can't compare the field of psychology to the field of medicine. There is a place for Biblical Counseling but most other forms of counseling from a humanistic standpoint doesn't have a good foundation. Steve Great discussion and good blog article during the week of Jesus’ death and resurrection. If the Gospel isn’t about transformation and if Romans 6-8 didn’t exist, then psychology might (even a stretch) be the equivalent of addressing an issue that isn’t covered in God’s revelation. However, anything that the field of psychology discovers that is not simply subjective, you can find addressed in God’s Word. That is why I really liked this article because you can’t compare the field of psychology to the field of medicine. There is a place for Biblical Counseling but most other forms of counseling from a humanistic standpoint doesn’t have a good foundation.

Steve

]]> By: odmorale http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/comment-page-1/#comment-118969 odmorale Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:25:20 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/03/20/224-and-the-sufficiency-of-scripture/#comment-118969 I think as in every area of life Pragmatism is at work. Because there are some helpful things about Psychology does not mean those very answers are not in Scripture. It is very easy for believers to look to JP Moreland because he says he is a Christian than to look to the Scriptures written 2000 years ago. We need to repent of reducing the Bible to only being helpful for saving us from the wrath of God. The Bible does not tell us about plumbing, but it does tell us how to live as we are doing the work of a plumber, engineer, etc. I think as in every area of life Pragmatism is at work.

Because there are some helpful things about Psychology does not mean those very answers are not in Scripture. It is very easy for believers to look to JP Moreland because he says he is a Christian than to look to the Scriptures written 2000 years ago.

We need to repent of reducing the Bible to only being helpful for saving us from the wrath of God.

The Bible does not tell us about plumbing, but it does tell us how to live as we are doing the work of a plumber, engineer, etc.

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