Comments on: Our Triune God http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:13:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Eric Conroy http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-111725 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:22:01 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-111725 Good post nonetheless John. Just remember, even though this is a blog wherein we can put out thoughts down, let us not forget to sharpen each other for the Cause of Christ, not bash each other, or jump the gun in conclusion making without ever thinking twice about it. Other than that, our GOD, the God of the universe is deserving of all of our Worship for who HE Himself is! A holy God! Good post nonetheless John. Just remember, even though this is a blog wherein we can put out thoughts down, let us not forget to sharpen each other for the Cause of Christ, not bash each other, or jump the gun in conclusion making without ever thinking twice about it.

Other than that, our GOD, the God of the universe is deserving of all of our Worship for who HE Himself is! A holy God!

]]> by: Bill 2 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-109207 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:26:54 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-109207 Brothers and sisters my intentions are by no means intended to offend anyone but just in case any offense is taken, I apologize and seek forgiveness in advance. It is always a joy for me to know that those in Christ study to make themselves approved of the Lord, workmen who rightly divide the word of truth. On any given topic for that matter. The interesting thing that struck me as I read the above commentary was the tone and content of response. It brought to mind that we know what ever we know in full or in part at the pleasure and grace of a merciful God. Even Him. God revealed Himself to us, scripture states no one seeks the Lord. We are saved by faith through grace not by works so that none should boast. I recall a prideful King in the Old Testament put out to pasture as a beast to eat grass, to be humbled. We who teach, and I do whole heartedly believe that we are all teachers of some sort. We teach best that which we need to learn. These lessons are not usually the lessons we have prepared but the ones prepared by the Holy Spirit for us. Our teaching and our learning, even life it self is not about us, or what we know or don't know or understand, but always to be about His glory. He works all things for the good of those who are set apart for His purpose. Once again if I have offended anyone, which was not my intent, I offer my humble apology and seek your forgiveness. With Eternity In Mind Bill 2 Brothers and sisters my intentions are by no means intended to offend anyone but just in case any offense is taken, I apologize and seek forgiveness in advance. It is always a joy for me to know that those in Christ study to make themselves approved of the Lord, workmen who rightly divide the word of truth. On any given topic for that matter. The interesting thing that struck me as I read the above commentary was the tone and content of response. It brought to mind that we know what ever we know in full or in part at the pleasure and grace of a merciful God. Even Him. God revealed Himself to us, scripture states no one seeks the Lord. We are saved by faith through grace not by works so that none should boast. I recall a prideful King in the Old Testament put out to pasture as a beast to eat grass, to be humbled. We who teach, and I do whole heartedly believe that we are all teachers of some sort. We teach best that which we need to learn. These lessons are not usually the lessons we have prepared but the ones prepared by the Holy Spirit for us.
Our teaching and our learning, even life it self is not about us, or what we know or don’t know or understand, but always to be about His glory. He works all things for the good of those who are set apart for His purpose. Once again if I have offended anyone, which was not my intent, I offer my humble apology and seek your forgiveness.
With Eternity In Mind
Bill 2

]]> by: Timothy http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108539 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:08:52 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108539 The three persons in one is a hard one,It is the truth I'm naerly 48 years old when I think about the doctine of the trinity Or Gods eternal exsitance,exnihilo Our God being able to create something from nothing it totaly Holds my Interest For Hours,days yes years just to try to figure out how long is forever or better yet Our God always was when I realy cosentrate and chew on the thought I just can not totaly grasp the Idea get to a stop point in time in time but eterity keeps on going.Being humand minded I think ther must of been a start and a finish.By The word of God by faith enerity always was is to be Like God. Just like the trinity Three persons of the Godhead.I'm Human body soul mind Im am only one!I think in human terms Human Questions God Fater,Son,Holy Ghost Three Persons One God all working together.God is on his own terms Of Being who he is.The way he thinks exist our His ways He is God the Son is Human but God?The Father the head.The spirit of God.I talk to {wordly)people there tought of God is the old man up stairs God is more Human then God to them.Point God is God can we ever totaly understand everthing about Him.No way we have all eternity to love and learn about Him is that going to be long enough? can't wait to see my Lord and our God forever. Timothy The three persons in one is a hard one,It is the truth I’m naerly 48 years old when I think about the doctine of the trinity Or Gods eternal exsitance,exnihilo Our God being able to create something from nothing it totaly Holds my Interest For Hours,days yes years just to try to figure out how long is forever or better yet Our God always was when I realy cosentrate and chew on the thought I just can not totaly grasp the Idea get to a stop point in time in time but eterity keeps on going.Being humand minded I think ther must of been a start and a finish.By The word of God by faith enerity always was is to be Like God. Just like the trinity Three persons of the Godhead.I’m Human body soul mind Im am only one!I think in human terms Human Questions God Fater,Son,Holy Ghost Three Persons One God all working together.God is on his own terms Of Being who he is.The way he thinks exist our His ways He is God the Son is Human but God?The Father the head.The spirit of God.I talk to {wordly)people there tought of God is the old man up stairs God is more Human then God to them.Point God is God can we ever totaly understand everthing about Him.No way we have all eternity to love and learn about Him is that going to be long enough? can’t wait to see my Lord and our God forever.

Timothy

]]> by: Josh http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108290 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:09:26 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108290 Loren - I am going to have to agree with Bill. It seems that you attacked Bill out of the blue with a comment which essentially called him stupid, being that he should leave the tough doctrine to the big boys who understand it and are better qualified to teach it. You may want to read the very first statement by MacArthur himself, "The Trinity is an unfathomable, and yet unmistakable doctrine in Scripture." This statement is in agreement with Scripture verses such as 1 Cor. 1:25, "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (NASB)." It is not that we cannot realize that God is one in essence, yet three in manifestation, but rather that being able to reconcile how one can be three at once and yet one is beyond the scope of human comprehension. There are certain "mysteries" regarding the Trinity within Christian faith which until glorification will not be fully understood by the human mind, however, it is not our lack of complete understanding which should be rebuked, but rather as MacArthur said, "To deny or misunderstand the Trinity is to deny or misunderstand the very nature of God Himself." Josh Loren -

I am going to have to agree with Bill. It seems that you attacked Bill out of the blue with a comment which essentially called him stupid, being that he should leave the tough doctrine to the big boys who understand it and are better qualified to teach it. You may want to read the very first statement by MacArthur himself, “The Trinity is an unfathomable, and yet unmistakable doctrine in Scripture.” This statement is in agreement with Scripture verses such as 1 Cor. 1:25, “Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (NASB).” It is not that we cannot realize that God is one in essence, yet three in manifestation, but rather that being able to reconcile how one can be three at once and yet one is beyond the scope of human comprehension. There are certain “mysteries” regarding the Trinity within Christian faith which until glorification will not be fully understood by the human mind, however, it is not our lack of complete understanding which should be rebuked, but rather as MacArthur said, “To deny or misunderstand the Trinity is to deny or misunderstand the very nature of God Himself.”

Josh

]]> by: Bill http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108091 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:10:45 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-108091 Whoa Loren, back the truck up a minute here friend. I understand a great deal more than you are aware of. I was simply implying that we cannot possibly understand the depth of God's wisdom and that somethings are really beyond our ability to comprehend at this time. When faced with a situation like that we need to accept it by faith (that's called believing by the way). This is what makes God's ways higher than our ways - or do you feel that is not the case with you? Perhaps you feel that you have a very solid grasp on the minute details of God's workings? Are you saying that nothing is a mystery with you maybe? I venture to say that I understand the doctrine of the Trinity just as well as you do sir. Who said anything about me pronouncing the Trinity a 'mystery'. You have offended me greatly and I am perplexed at how you can make such rash judgements concerning me while not ever having sat one hour in my class. Think about it... Please do not suggest that I not teach Sunday School. Teaching the truth of God's Word to children is my calling by God and I have a very strong passion for it. Not to mention have sent countless hours studying and in preparation for doing it. Bill Whoa Loren, back the truck up a minute here friend. I understand a great deal more than you are aware of.

I was simply implying that we cannot possibly understand the depth of God’s wisdom and that somethings are really beyond our ability to comprehend at this time. When faced with a situation like that we need to accept it by faith (that’s called believing by the way). This is what makes God’s ways higher than our ways - or do you feel that is not the case with you? Perhaps you feel that you have a very solid grasp on the minute details of God’s workings? Are you saying that nothing is a mystery with you maybe?

I venture to say that I understand the doctrine of the Trinity just as well as you do sir. Who said anything about me pronouncing the Trinity a ‘mystery’.

You have offended me greatly and I am perplexed at how you can make such rash judgements concerning me while not ever having sat one hour in my class. Think about it…

Please do not suggest that I not teach Sunday School. Teaching the truth of God’s Word to children is my calling by God and I have a very strong passion for it. Not to mention have sent countless hours studying and in preparation for doing it.

Bill

]]> by: Loren http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-107891 Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:55:08 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-107891 Gentlemen; I admire the diligent attempts to be scriptural in the way you present the Triune God. I like to use the material for my personal study and research about the Godhead. Regarding what Bill said: "...that its not necessary to completely understand it - we just need to believe it." As a Sunday School Teacher, how is it possible within the premise of a clear conscience to teach something you do not completely understand? Isn't understanding the foundation of learning? How could accurate learning be possible without complete or thorough understanding? What do we call someone who teaches that which he has no complete understanding of? Doesn't the saying "half truth is no truth" apply to your manner of teaching? Does faith in the Godhead mean the loss of a sound mind? To conclude a lesson as a "mystery" defeats the purpose of study. I think you can teach the doctrine of the Trinity without admitting that you don't understand it, or stop teaching on the subject at all. Let others do it. God bless Gentlemen;
I admire the diligent attempts to be scriptural in the way you present the Triune God. I like to use the material for my personal study and research about the Godhead.
Regarding what Bill said: “…that its not necessary to completely understand it - we just need to believe it.” As a Sunday School Teacher, how is it possible within the premise of a clear conscience to teach something you do not completely understand? Isn’t understanding the foundation of learning? How could accurate learning be possible without complete or thorough understanding? What do we call someone who teaches that which he has no complete understanding of? Doesn’t the saying “half truth is no truth” apply to your manner of teaching? Does faith in the Godhead mean the loss of a sound mind? To conclude a lesson as a “mystery” defeats the purpose of study. I think you can teach the doctrine of the Trinity without admitting that you don’t understand it, or stop teaching on the subject at all. Let others do it.
God bless

]]> by: Bill http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-107371 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:29:58 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/12/our-triune-god/#comment-107371 Very true. I use the analogy of the triangle with my boys Sunday School class. It is one triangle but it has three distinct angles. Remove any one angle and you no longer have a triangle. The kids seem to understand that. It can be complicated (as some other doctrines in Scripture) but I tell them that its not necessary to completely understand it - we just need to believe it. God bless. Bill Very true. I use the analogy of the triangle with my boys Sunday School class. It is one triangle but it has three distinct angles. Remove any one angle and you no longer have a triangle. The kids seem to understand that.
It can be complicated (as some other doctrines in Scripture) but I tell them that its not necessary to completely understand it - we just need to believe it.

God bless.
Bill

]]>