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	<title>Comments on: What Doctrines Are Essential? (Part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Hayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently my trackback didn&#039;t work with this site.  I appreciate this series of posts very much.  I&#039;ve been debating this topic over on my blog with people who argue that all doctrines should be essential, and the idea of &quot;fundamental doctrines&quot; is either novel, unscriptural or both.

My latest post cites this series: &lt;a href=&quot;http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/the-concept-of-fundamental-doctrines-modern-reductionism-or-historic-protestant-doctrine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Concept of &quot;Fundamental doctrines&quot;: Modern Reductionism or Historic Protestant Doctrine?&lt;/a&gt;

There is not much written explicitly on this topic anymore, so I thank MacArthur and Phil Johnson for their contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently my trackback didn&#8217;t work with this site.  I appreciate this series of posts very much.  I&#8217;ve been debating this topic over on my blog with people who argue that all doctrines should be essential, and the idea of &#8220;fundamental doctrines&#8221; is either novel, unscriptural or both.</p>
<p>My latest post cites this series: <a href="http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2008/02/14/the-concept-of-fundamental-doctrines-modern-reductionism-or-historic-protestant-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">The Concept of &#8220;Fundamental doctrines&#8221;: Modern Reductionism or Historic Protestant Doctrine?</a></p>
<p>There is not much written explicitly on this topic anymore, so I thank MacArthur and Phil Johnson for their contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: seeker of truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seeker of truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike F

If  &quot;sola scriptura&quot; is the standard by which we are to determine our essential doctrines then it should be just that, scripture alone, not creeds of men, that is the foundation we build upon. Perhaps, the reason there is no explicit proof text for the doctrine of the trinity is that it was not the concept of the relationship between the Father and the Son in the first century ecclesia. I quoted,at least in my opinion, an explicit text from the apostle Paul from his first letter to the believers in Corinth, a city with it&#039;s fair share of pagan deities. Yet for us there is one God, the Father out of whom are all things, and we for Him and one Lord, Jesus Christ through whom are all things and through whom we live.1 Cor.8:6 This, in my opinion, is a very clear statement. One God= Father One Lord= Jesus Christ. This scripture however, does not add up to the concept of the trinity. One God= 3 persons Father, Son and Holy Ghost. One Lord= the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Ghost is Lord. Perhaps, the apostle Paul didn&#039;t know the full revelation of the &quot;Godhead&quot;. I&#039;m the first to admit that I am a simple minded man. If the trinity is one of the essential doctrines  of  the Christian faith, why didn&#039;t Jesus, Paul or one of the other apostles spell it out clearly for one such as myself? 

Paul states that all things are out of God,the Father. Jesus by His own admission said that He came forth out of God John8:42.Jesus stated that the Father is spirit. Jn4:24 Paul taught that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col1:15 This must make God the Father both spirit and invisible. This also must mean that Jesus is God&#039;s visible image and firstborn.Wow!, Let&#039;s read on. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and the earth visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that  in Him, all the fullness should dwell, and by Him, to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.Wow!!  Through Him! That brings us back to our original verse. Let&#039;s see if it all fits together or not. Yet for us  there is one God, the Father,( Invisible spirit) out of whom are all things(even His only begotten Son, who by the way, created all of creation) and we for Him (God has a plan for each of us, we&#039;re made for His pleasure) and one Lord, Jesus Christ(the visible image of the Invisible God, the firstborn over all creation and the firstborn from the dead) through whom are all things(God through His Firstborn created all  in His vast universe)and we through Him.(it is through the sacrifice at calvary, that Jesus paid, that God is reconciling the universe back to Himself.) Wow!! Maybe Paul did have the full revelation of God and His Son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike F</p>
<p>If  &#8220;sola scriptura&#8221; is the standard by which we are to determine our essential doctrines then it should be just that, scripture alone, not creeds of men, that is the foundation we build upon. Perhaps, the reason there is no explicit proof text for the doctrine of the trinity is that it was not the concept of the relationship between the Father and the Son in the first century ecclesia. I quoted,at least in my opinion, an explicit text from the apostle Paul from his first letter to the believers in Corinth, a city with it&#8217;s fair share of pagan deities. Yet for us there is one God, the Father out of whom are all things, and we for Him and one Lord, Jesus Christ through whom are all things and through whom we live.1 Cor.8:6 This, in my opinion, is a very clear statement. One God= Father One Lord= Jesus Christ. This scripture however, does not add up to the concept of the trinity. One God= 3 persons Father, Son and Holy Ghost. One Lord= the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Ghost is Lord. Perhaps, the apostle Paul didn&#8217;t know the full revelation of the &#8220;Godhead&#8221;. I&#8217;m the first to admit that I am a simple minded man. If the trinity is one of the essential doctrines  of  the Christian faith, why didn&#8217;t Jesus, Paul or one of the other apostles spell it out clearly for one such as myself? </p>
<p>Paul states that all things are out of God,the Father. Jesus by His own admission said that He came forth out of God John8:42.Jesus stated that the Father is spirit. Jn4:24 Paul taught that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col1:15 This must make God the Father both spirit and invisible. This also must mean that Jesus is God&#8217;s visible image and firstborn.Wow!, Let&#8217;s read on. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and the earth visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that  in Him, all the fullness should dwell, and by Him, to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.Wow!!  Through Him! That brings us back to our original verse. Let&#8217;s see if it all fits together or not. Yet for us  there is one God, the Father,( Invisible spirit) out of whom are all things(even His only begotten Son, who by the way, created all of creation) and we for Him (God has a plan for each of us, we&#8217;re made for His pleasure) and one Lord, Jesus Christ(the visible image of the Invisible God, the firstborn over all creation and the firstborn from the dead) through whom are all things(God through His Firstborn created all  in His vast universe)and we through Him.(it is through the sacrifice at calvary, that Jesus paid, that God is reconciling the universe back to Himself.) Wow!! Maybe Paul did have the full revelation of God and His Son.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  It&#039;s timely that I stumbled across this series today, as I too have been contemplating this topic for several years, and was specifically discussing it with my husband just this morning.  I haven&#039;t had time to sift through everyone&#039;s thoughts just yet (seems like there&#039;s some rich stuff here) . . . but I wanted to throw something out there.  Could it be that we&#039;re trying to hard to categorize truths into essential vs. non-essential?  This whole paradigm came from Augustine, I believe.  But, it seems to me, that the paradigm is often used as license to avoid controversial topics not pertaining to salvation.  Rather, I believe all of God&#039;s truth contained in the Holy Scriptures was given to us in order that we might strive toward &quot;unity of faith.&quot;  The key is fleshing out all of God&#039;s Word in a spirit of love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  It&#8217;s timely that I stumbled across this series today, as I too have been contemplating this topic for several years, and was specifically discussing it with my husband just this morning.  I haven&#8217;t had time to sift through everyone&#8217;s thoughts just yet (seems like there&#8217;s some rich stuff here) . . . but I wanted to throw something out there.  Could it be that we&#8217;re trying to hard to categorize truths into essential vs. non-essential?  This whole paradigm came from Augustine, I believe.  But, it seems to me, that the paradigm is often used as license to avoid controversial topics not pertaining to salvation.  Rather, I believe all of God&#8217;s truth contained in the Holy Scriptures was given to us in order that we might strive toward &#8220;unity of faith.&#8221;  The key is fleshing out all of God&#8217;s Word in a spirit of love.</p>
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		<title>By: NWProdigal</title>
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		<dc:creator>NWProdigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien,

I agree most adamantly with you on that score! 

Baptism is a fundamental because Jesus made it so! It is for us, as it was for Christ, &quot;to fulfill all righteousness&quot;, else Christ Himself would not have commanded it to be done, as did the Apostles throughout the book of Acts with EVERY conversion. No waiting until next month either! We may not agree on what part baptism plays, but we should all agree as believers that it is required Post-belief and repentance, never Pre-belief or Pre-repentance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien,</p>
<p>I agree most adamantly with you on that score! </p>
<p>Baptism is a fundamental because Jesus made it so! It is for us, as it was for Christ, &#8220;to fulfill all righteousness&#8221;, else Christ Himself would not have commanded it to be done, as did the Apostles throughout the book of Acts with EVERY conversion. No waiting until next month either! We may not agree on what part baptism plays, but we should all agree as believers that it is required Post-belief and repentance, never Pre-belief or Pre-repentance!</p>
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		<title>By: NWProdigal</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/02/06/what-doctrines-are-essential-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-107411</link>
		<dc:creator>NWProdigal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeker,

Look at Isaiah 9:6-7 

This passage is what convinced me beyond any shadow of doubt in the Trinity. 

Also, look at the passage where Christ says He will send the Holy Spirit and not leave us orphans, but then also refers to that spirit as His own (And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. &quot;I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. (John 14:16-18 ESV)

&quot;He dwells with you&quot; is obviously Christ alluding to Himself, so it follows that &quot;will be in you&quot; also refers to Christ as affirmed by &quot;I will come to you&quot;. So, while we know we have the Holy Spirit, He is also the Spirit of Christ even as Christ is at the right hand of the Father now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeker,</p>
<p>Look at Isaiah 9:6-7 </p>
<p>This passage is what convinced me beyond any shadow of doubt in the Trinity. </p>
<p>Also, look at the passage where Christ says He will send the Holy Spirit and not leave us orphans, but then also refers to that spirit as His own (And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. &#8220;I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. (John 14:16-18 ESV)</p>
<p>&#8220;He dwells with you&#8221; is obviously Christ alluding to Himself, so it follows that &#8220;will be in you&#8221; also refers to Christ as affirmed by &#8220;I will come to you&#8221;. So, while we know we have the Holy Spirit, He is also the Spirit of Christ even as Christ is at the right hand of the Father now.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Doctrine of Origins an &lt;b&gt;Essential&lt;/b&gt; doctrine?

&lt;i&gt;As Texas debates creationism in the classroom, here&#039;s a different question: Should evolution be in the pulpit?

Absolutely, say &lt;b&gt;hundreds of clergy who will observe Evolution Sunday&lt;/b&gt; today.&lt;/i&gt;

From:  http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-blow_10met.ART.State.Bulldog.450d91a.html

Can a Christian believe in macro-evolution since it&#039;s not essential to possessing salvation?

Can a Christian espouse macro-evolution if s/he can find no biblical basis that s/he is forbidden to deny macro-evolution?  S/he will say that there are many Christians who hold to theistic evolution.

What would this series of articles say about the Doctrine of Origins being an &quot;essential&quot; doctrine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Doctrine of Origins an <b>Essential</b> doctrine?</p>
<p><i>As Texas debates creationism in the classroom, here&#8217;s a different question: Should evolution be in the pulpit?</p>
<p>Absolutely, say <b>hundreds of clergy who will observe Evolution Sunday</b> today.</i></p>
<p>From:  <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-blow_10met.ART.State.Bulldog.450d91a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-blow_10met.ART.State.Bulldog.450d91a.html</a></p>
<p>Can a Christian believe in macro-evolution since it&#8217;s not essential to possessing salvation?</p>
<p>Can a Christian espouse macro-evolution if s/he can find no biblical basis that s/he is forbidden to deny macro-evolution?  S/he will say that there are many Christians who hold to theistic evolution.</p>
<p>What would this series of articles say about the Doctrine of Origins being an &#8220;essential&#8221; doctrine?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeker,

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you said, but if not, here are two passages that refer to Jesus as God:
John 1:1-10
Heb. 1:8-9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeker,</p>
<p>Maybe I am misunderstanding what you said, but if not, here are two passages that refer to Jesus as God:<br />
John 1:1-10<br />
Heb. 1:8-9</p>
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		<title>By: Tom P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said that Psalm 19:7 means &quot;Scripture is sufficient. Apart from the truths revealed to us in Scripture, there is no essential spiritual truth, no fundamental doctrine, nothing essential to soul-restoration. We do not need to look beyond the written Word of God for any essential doctrines. There is nothing necessary beyond what is recorded in God’s Word.&quot;

I&#039;ve been looking for a passage that says that that&#039;s what Psalm 19:7 means, and I can&#039;t find one. From what passage to you get that meaning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said that Psalm 19:7 means &#8220;Scripture is sufficient. Apart from the truths revealed to us in Scripture, there is no essential spiritual truth, no fundamental doctrine, nothing essential to soul-restoration. We do not need to look beyond the written Word of God for any essential doctrines. There is nothing necessary beyond what is recorded in God’s Word.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking for a passage that says that that&#8217;s what Psalm 19:7 means, and I can&#8217;t find one. From what passage to you get that meaning?</p>
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		<title>By: seeker of truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seeker of truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, you write &quot;The point is not every fundamental article of faith must be supported with a explicit proof text. The doctrine of the Trinity, for example, is certainly essential to true Christianity-and is it is very clear in Scripture-but you will find no comprehensive statement of the Trinity from any single passage of Scripture.&quot; If a doctrine is not explicitly taught in God&#039;s Scripture, we should be very cautious of that doctrine, and examine it&#039;s origin. I for one, do not find the doctrine of the trinity to be &quot;very clear in scripture.&quot; What I do find to be very clear is that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Nowhere do I find that He is &quot;god the son.&quot; I must believe what Scripture explicitly declares Yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things and we for Him and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and  through whom we live. 1 Cor 8:5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, you write &#8220;The point is not every fundamental article of faith must be supported with a explicit proof text. The doctrine of the Trinity, for example, is certainly essential to true Christianity-and is it is very clear in Scripture-but you will find no comprehensive statement of the Trinity from any single passage of Scripture.&#8221; If a doctrine is not explicitly taught in God&#8217;s Scripture, we should be very cautious of that doctrine, and examine it&#8217;s origin. I for one, do not find the doctrine of the trinity to be &#8220;very clear in scripture.&#8221; What I do find to be very clear is that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Nowhere do I find that He is &#8220;god the son.&#8221; I must believe what Scripture explicitly declares Yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things and we for Him and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and  through whom we live. 1 Cor 8:5.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to this series!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to this series!</p>
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