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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/23/one-month-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-107394</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR,
Then how would you go about obeying God in regards to 1 Corinthians 5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR,<br />
Then how would you go about obeying God in regards to 1 Corinthians 5?</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/23/one-month-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-106138</link>
		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...great insight from all. Thanks for participating, and allowing me to hear and see so many different opinions. Having said that, it&#039;s amazing how each of us has interpreted the bible, huh! We each see and hear from the filters we have carried,and mixed it with the theology we have learned or adopted over the years it seems. Those of you who made mistakes in your responses to each other corrected it....so where does the blame lie?.....who&#039;s right and who&#039;s wrong?.... 

The woman who was brought to Jesus was know by everyone who knew anybody ,and then some-no question about her stance in public. As with Joel, there is no question about his stance, as he has made this public to us all from his own lips. Because of his confession, we question.
Proverbs states that &quot;a man is known by what others say of him&quot; So where does that leave us?
Yes, as Jesus did we must confront, however, none of us have the right to throw a stone.....&quot;Beware of false teachers&quot; Yes! But to speak to one another not out of Love for this lost man is sin. This is why we must drop our stone. 

When was the last time Christ gave us what WE deserved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;great insight from all. Thanks for participating, and allowing me to hear and see so many different opinions. Having said that, it&#8217;s amazing how each of us has interpreted the bible, huh! We each see and hear from the filters we have carried,and mixed it with the theology we have learned or adopted over the years it seems. Those of you who made mistakes in your responses to each other corrected it&#8230;.so where does the blame lie?&#8230;..who&#8217;s right and who&#8217;s wrong?&#8230;. </p>
<p>The woman who was brought to Jesus was know by everyone who knew anybody ,and then some-no question about her stance in public. As with Joel, there is no question about his stance, as he has made this public to us all from his own lips. Because of his confession, we question.<br />
Proverbs states that &#8220;a man is known by what others say of him&#8221; So where does that leave us?<br />
Yes, as Jesus did we must confront, however, none of us have the right to throw a stone&#8230;..&#8221;Beware of false teachers&#8221; Yes! But to speak to one another not out of Love for this lost man is sin. This is why we must drop our stone. </p>
<p>When was the last time Christ gave us what WE deserved?</p>
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		<title>By: Brooksher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooksher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel Osteen isn&#039;t a brother in the faith whatsoever!  He is a false teacher--in the truest sense of the term.  Of all of the times that I&#039;ve caught him preaching his gospel of self-help and feel-goodism on TV., interviews with the various talking heads and flipping thru his latest self-centered book; I&#039;ve never once witnessed him preaching--let alone mention the name of Jesus Christ.  Of the thousands, worldwide who follow his message, will one day discover that they&#039;ve been lead down the broad way and right through the wide gate of destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Osteen isn&#8217;t a brother in the faith whatsoever!  He is a false teacher&#8211;in the truest sense of the term.  Of all of the times that I&#8217;ve caught him preaching his gospel of self-help and feel-goodism on TV., interviews with the various talking heads and flipping thru his latest self-centered book; I&#8217;ve never once witnessed him preaching&#8211;let alone mention the name of Jesus Christ.  Of the thousands, worldwide who follow his message, will one day discover that they&#8217;ve been lead down the broad way and right through the wide gate of destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I read his whole interview that the link provided, and I see no answers having to do with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. 

&quot;WALLACE: And you know, obviously, you are making an enormous amount of money with the television show, with these best-selling books.

How do you personally — how does Joel Osteen keep himself safe, guard against being corrupted by all the temptations that must surround you?

OSTEEN: Yeah. I think there&#039;s a couple things. One, I like to start my day off every morning, take the first half hour and just search my own heart, see if I&#039;m on the right course, try to be honest with myself — am I doing this for the right reasons?

Two, I have good family around me that I think can speak into my life. And the other thing is, you know, I&#039;m — I realize that as quick as you go up, you can really come down that quick. And we&#039;ve seen it happen with others.&quot;

This statement, along with others in that interview and other interviews he has had, mentions nothing of going to God. He seems to rely so much on his own self and what he can do. I do not mean to judge the man, I&#039;m just making obvious observations from statements he has made, so please forgive me if this comes out as being judgemental or harsh. 

I see this type of preaching evident in America today. Pastor John talks about it in his books. I am currently reading The Truth war right now and it&#039;s heartbreaking that truth is being misrepresented. We Christians need to stand for the truth and fight for the turth agsint preachers who are giving a false, watered-down, untruthful gospel.

As for Mr. Osteen, first and foremost, I will pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit on your life, and you will realize the damage you causing by supplying this false hope to people. I feel it is necessary that someone intervenes with him. This message is deceiving so many people; and it seems like many strong Bible believing, truth filled Christians sit around and do nothing. I pray just as much as I pray for Mr. Osteen that strong men of faith rise up like John MacArthur and others who are not ashamed of the Gospel and truth that they will fight these injustices to the Word and have a huge impact for the Kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I read his whole interview that the link provided, and I see no answers having to do with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. </p>
<p>&#8220;WALLACE: And you know, obviously, you are making an enormous amount of money with the television show, with these best-selling books.</p>
<p>How do you personally — how does Joel Osteen keep himself safe, guard against being corrupted by all the temptations that must surround you?</p>
<p>OSTEEN: Yeah. I think there&#8217;s a couple things. One, I like to start my day off every morning, take the first half hour and just search my own heart, see if I&#8217;m on the right course, try to be honest with myself — am I doing this for the right reasons?</p>
<p>Two, I have good family around me that I think can speak into my life. And the other thing is, you know, I&#8217;m — I realize that as quick as you go up, you can really come down that quick. And we&#8217;ve seen it happen with others.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement, along with others in that interview and other interviews he has had, mentions nothing of going to God. He seems to rely so much on his own self and what he can do. I do not mean to judge the man, I&#8217;m just making obvious observations from statements he has made, so please forgive me if this comes out as being judgemental or harsh. </p>
<p>I see this type of preaching evident in America today. Pastor John talks about it in his books. I am currently reading The Truth war right now and it&#8217;s heartbreaking that truth is being misrepresented. We Christians need to stand for the truth and fight for the turth agsint preachers who are giving a false, watered-down, untruthful gospel.</p>
<p>As for Mr. Osteen, first and foremost, I will pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit on your life, and you will realize the damage you causing by supplying this false hope to people. I feel it is necessary that someone intervenes with him. This message is deceiving so many people; and it seems like many strong Bible believing, truth filled Christians sit around and do nothing. I pray just as much as I pray for Mr. Osteen that strong men of faith rise up like John MacArthur and others who are not ashamed of the Gospel and truth that they will fight these injustices to the Word and have a huge impact for the Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
I think you took my sarcasm a little too serious. However, while I would agree with your comments 200%, If we are going to take Olsteen to task, others who are &quot;mainstream reformed&quot; and teaching serious error concerning sanctification should be taken to task as well. A wrong view of the sanctification process will ruin peoples lives and Christ is no less concerned about that.
God bless sister.
Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
I think you took my sarcasm a little too serious. However, while I would agree with your comments 200%, If we are going to take Olsteen to task, others who are &#8220;mainstream reformed&#8221; and teaching serious error concerning sanctification should be taken to task as well. A wrong view of the sanctification process will ruin peoples lives and Christ is no less concerned about that.<br />
God bless sister.<br />
Paul</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul your commendation of Osteen&#039;s &quot;honesty&quot; is a little short-sighted. If Joel Osteen were really honest, he wouldn&#039;t allow his building to be called a Christian church and he wouldn&#039;t sell his books (by the thousands) in Christian bookstores. The very meaning of what it means to be a Christian (and a Christian church) is at stake.

Individual Christians may very well pray for Joel Osteen to repent of his false teaching.

But let us not forget that it is the duty of pastors and elders to warn the flock. This is God&#039;s pattern for the role of a shepherd. If a book or a teaching is out there and it is false, then according to scripture those men in authority in the church are duty bound to warn others. Instead of spending (wasting?) time on the web arguing with solid Christians who warn others about false teachers, why not study YOUR BIBLE and see if what is being taught is right or wrong?

You could even start with Jesus himself, who warned of false teachers and false christs. From there you could look at Paul, Peter and Jude in the New Testament. They all warned of false teachers and false teachings. And one more thing, if Joel Osteen is not a false teacher, then what type of teacher was Jesus referring to? Is there anyone today that you would consider false? What did Jesus mean by this teaching? Why would he warn us if there is no such thing as a false teacher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul your commendation of Osteen&#8217;s &#8220;honesty&#8221; is a little short-sighted. If Joel Osteen were really honest, he wouldn&#8217;t allow his building to be called a Christian church and he wouldn&#8217;t sell his books (by the thousands) in Christian bookstores. The very meaning of what it means to be a Christian (and a Christian church) is at stake.</p>
<p>Individual Christians may very well pray for Joel Osteen to repent of his false teaching.</p>
<p>But let us not forget that it is the duty of pastors and elders to warn the flock. This is God&#8217;s pattern for the role of a shepherd. If a book or a teaching is out there and it is false, then according to scripture those men in authority in the church are duty bound to warn others. Instead of spending (wasting?) time on the web arguing with solid Christians who warn others about false teachers, why not study YOUR BIBLE and see if what is being taught is right or wrong?</p>
<p>You could even start with Jesus himself, who warned of false teachers and false christs. From there you could look at Paul, Peter and Jude in the New Testament. They all warned of false teachers and false teachings. And one more thing, if Joel Osteen is not a false teacher, then what type of teacher was Jesus referring to? Is there anyone today that you would consider false? What did Jesus mean by this teaching? Why would he warn us if there is no such thing as a false teacher?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel Olsteen? I don&#039;t have a problem with him because he is plainly in serious error and doesn&#039;t try to hide what he is all about. He said himself: &quot;it&#039;s not my calling to preach doctrine&quot;. My problem is with a whole host of mystic christian philosophers that pass as mainline evangelicals and get a pass from Mcauthor and everyone else. At least Olsteen doesn&#039;t use a hermenuetic that enables teachers to totally reinterprete the plain sense of scripture any way they want to! He openly admits he doesn&#039;t use a hermenuetic at all! The honesty in advertising is a breath of fresh air.
Paul D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Olsteen? I don&#8217;t have a problem with him because he is plainly in serious error and doesn&#8217;t try to hide what he is all about. He said himself: &#8220;it&#8217;s not my calling to preach doctrine&#8221;. My problem is with a whole host of mystic christian philosophers that pass as mainline evangelicals and get a pass from Mcauthor and everyone else. At least Olsteen doesn&#8217;t use a hermenuetic that enables teachers to totally reinterprete the plain sense of scripture any way they want to! He openly admits he doesn&#8217;t use a hermenuetic at all! The honesty in advertising is a breath of fresh air.<br />
Paul D.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/23/one-month-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-103106</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janice,

So do we continue to embrace them as brothers and sisters in Christ, even though they teach erroneous doctrines? Are the erroneuos doctrines damnable or or they just opinions that we can not really prove one way or the other so we just agree to disagree? And if that is the case, where do we draw the line of what is truth? What do we, as the true church, do with these folks and their flocks? If it isn&#039;t important in regards to salvation, then why bother talking about it?

Maybe I do not understand the difference between error and lies. I see error as a misunderstanding until the truth is presented. Then when it is still rejected , it is a lie and a heresy, whether the person is deceived or not. To me to accept error is to then accept universalism, for doesn&#039;t even the unbeliever error?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janice,</p>
<p>So do we continue to embrace them as brothers and sisters in Christ, even though they teach erroneous doctrines? Are the erroneuos doctrines damnable or or they just opinions that we can not really prove one way or the other so we just agree to disagree? And if that is the case, where do we draw the line of what is truth? What do we, as the true church, do with these folks and their flocks? If it isn&#8217;t important in regards to salvation, then why bother talking about it?</p>
<p>Maybe I do not understand the difference between error and lies. I see error as a misunderstanding until the truth is presented. Then when it is still rejected , it is a lie and a heresy, whether the person is deceived or not. To me to accept error is to then accept universalism, for doesn&#8217;t even the unbeliever error?</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/23/one-month-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-102773</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osteen will one day stand alone before Jesus Christ and be made to give account of his life and teaching.  I realize many, myself included, are upset, even angry with Osteen for not following the Word of God. But, I also think we should be praying for him. For if he continues as he is, he and so many others will pay a terrible price for all eternity.
Thankfully scripture can not be broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osteen will one day stand alone before Jesus Christ and be made to give account of his life and teaching.  I realize many, myself included, are upset, even angry with Osteen for not following the Word of God. But, I also think we should be praying for him. For if he continues as he is, he and so many others will pay a terrible price for all eternity.<br />
Thankfully scripture can not be broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 04:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I failed to put the whole passage up.

1 Corinthians 5

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 

 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 

 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 

 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 

 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I failed to put the whole passage up.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 5</p>
<p>9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; </p>
<p> 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. </p>
<p> 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler&#8211;not even to eat with such a one. </p>
<p> 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? </p>
<p> 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.</p>
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