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	<title>Comments on: An Astounding Quote from Zane Hodges</title>
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		<title>By: Lou Martuneac</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-128354</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Martuneac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antonio da Rosa is the most vocal apologist for all things Zane Hodges.

Some of the most extreme statements you will read anywhere on the Gospel come from Antonio.  His views are examples of what the GES faction of the Free Grace community has spiraled down to by following the teaching of Hodges. Here is an example.

“The Mormon Jesus and Evangelical Jesus are one and the same.”  Read it here…
http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2008/01/can-biblical-jesus-mormon-jesus-be-one.html

Antonio da Rosa’s “Crossless” interpretation of the Gospel and extremism is NOT representative of the Free Grace community at large.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio da Rosa is the most vocal apologist for all things Zane Hodges.</p>
<p>Some of the most extreme statements you will read anywhere on the Gospel come from Antonio.  His views are examples of what the GES faction of the Free Grace community has spiraled down to by following the teaching of Hodges. Here is an example.</p>
<p>“The Mormon Jesus and Evangelical Jesus are one and the same.”  Read it here…<br />
<a href="http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2008/01/can-biblical-jesus-mormon-jesus-be-one.html" rel="nofollow">http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/2008/01/can-biblical-jesus-mormon-jesus-be-one.html</a></p>
<p>Antonio da Rosa’s “Crossless” interpretation of the Gospel and extremism is NOT representative of the Free Grace community at large.</p>
<p>LM</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio da Rosa</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-104000</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio da Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C) The moment that someone places their faith into the Lord Jesus Christ, they become a child of God (Jn 1:12), and as such, move into a new relationship with God; God as Father and Master, and we as child, steward/servant. In such a role, God will chasten us with severity in both time and eternity, if we fail to pursue sanctification by following the commandments of Christ.

D) Postively, God holds out treasures, rewards, incentives, glories, honors, and privileges to those who faithfully endure, keeping Christ&#039;s words and works, persevering until the end. Such superlative experiences of co-reigning with Christ, co-inheriting with Him, and sharing in the joy that He won (Heb 12:3).

E) True life, with its attendent purpose, significance, and meaning -- abundant life! -- comes when one not only hears and reads the words of God, but applies them (Js 1:25). Shipwreck, the loss of true life and purpose comes when one disregards God&#039;s word (Mt 7:24-27; 10:39).

Here it is as plainly as can be:

1) Eternal life is free. You can take the waters of life freely, no strings attached, no caveats, no provisos (Rev 22:17).

2) Eternal life is received the moment that one believes in Jesus for it. The one who entrusts his eternal destiny into the hands of Christ has everlasting life (Jn 6:47).

3) When one believes into Christ, he is born again (Jn 3:16 c.f. 3:3).

4) When one is born again, he partakes of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4).

5) This divine nature cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9).

6) The old nature still exists in the ontological makeup of the Christian (Eph 4:22)

7) The Christian is positionally dead and raised with Christ (Rom 6:1-10).

8) But the Christian must apply that position experientially (Rom 6:11-14).

God does not drag anyone down the path of obedience. He has given the Christian every advantage! If the Christian does not avail himself of the graces afforded to him by the riches of Christ, he will not have the abundant life, nor will he have the crowning experience of life in the kingdom of God, although he will be saved, yet as through fire (1 Cor 3:15).

Does anyone wish to have a profitable conversation and have an open mind along with an open bible? I am willing to entertain your questions.

Please be prayerful about this position.

You see:

eternal life is absolutely free

but the abundant life now and the crowning experience of life in the kingdom (and deliverance from death and purposelessness) is contingent on our faithfulness to Christ now.

Blessed be God for His abundant grace!

Free Grace!

Antonio da Rosa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C) The moment that someone places their faith into the Lord Jesus Christ, they become a child of God (Jn 1:12), and as such, move into a new relationship with God; God as Father and Master, and we as child, steward/servant. In such a role, God will chasten us with severity in both time and eternity, if we fail to pursue sanctification by following the commandments of Christ.</p>
<p>D) Postively, God holds out treasures, rewards, incentives, glories, honors, and privileges to those who faithfully endure, keeping Christ&#8217;s words and works, persevering until the end. Such superlative experiences of co-reigning with Christ, co-inheriting with Him, and sharing in the joy that He won (Heb 12:3).</p>
<p>E) True life, with its attendent purpose, significance, and meaning &#8212; abundant life! &#8212; comes when one not only hears and reads the words of God, but applies them (Js 1:25). Shipwreck, the loss of true life and purpose comes when one disregards God&#8217;s word (Mt 7:24-27; 10:39).</p>
<p>Here it is as plainly as can be:</p>
<p>1) Eternal life is free. You can take the waters of life freely, no strings attached, no caveats, no provisos (Rev 22:17).</p>
<p>2) Eternal life is received the moment that one believes in Jesus for it. The one who entrusts his eternal destiny into the hands of Christ has everlasting life (Jn 6:47).</p>
<p>3) When one believes into Christ, he is born again (Jn 3:16 c.f. 3:3).</p>
<p>4) When one is born again, he partakes of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4).</p>
<p>5) This divine nature cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9).</p>
<p>6) The old nature still exists in the ontological makeup of the Christian (Eph 4:22)</p>
<p>7) The Christian is positionally dead and raised with Christ (Rom 6:1-10).</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.sfpulpit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> But the Christian must apply that position experientially (Rom 6:11-14).</p>
<p>God does not drag anyone down the path of obedience. He has given the Christian every advantage! If the Christian does not avail himself of the graces afforded to him by the riches of Christ, he will not have the abundant life, nor will he have the crowning experience of life in the kingdom of God, although he will be saved, yet as through fire (1 Cor 3:15).</p>
<p>Does anyone wish to have a profitable conversation and have an open mind along with an open bible? I am willing to entertain your questions.</p>
<p>Please be prayerful about this position.</p>
<p>You see:</p>
<p>eternal life is absolutely free</p>
<p>but the abundant life now and the crowning experience of life in the kingdom (and deliverance from death and purposelessness) is contingent on our faithfulness to Christ now.</p>
<p>Blessed be God for His abundant grace!</p>
<p>Free Grace!</p>
<p>Antonio da Rosa</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio da Rosa</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-103998</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio da Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it not Jesus who said, &quot;Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life&quot;? (John 4:14).

If one drinks of the water that Christ gives, he will never thirst for it again. The man Zane speaks about drank the water and will never thirst again.

Let me tell you all something. Imagine this. Why would God make one inevitably and relentlessly disposed toward sanctification, yet leave him to allow sin in his life? This is incongruent. Does God produce half-works (at best)?

Here is the answer:

God gave us a divine nature that cannot sin. He gave us all things that pertain to life and to godliness. He gave us exceedingly precious and great promises whereby we can be delivered from the lusts of the world.

But what gets imparted to us when we are regenerated by faith is in seed form. All those potentials lie latent in that divine nature. Like the small seed of a mighty oak, they need to be cultivated by light, depth, nourishment, hydration, and time. That small seed, imparted by regeneration, has unlimited potential! But that seed, by itself, although having the potential to produce a tree of indescribable stature and glory, needs the tender loving care of the one entrusted with it.

Why is one Christian more productive than the other? Precisely because he has contributed greater facilitation to that seed than the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it not Jesus who said, &#8220;Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life&#8221;? (John 4:14).</p>
<p>If one drinks of the water that Christ gives, he will never thirst for it again. The man Zane speaks about drank the water and will never thirst again.</p>
<p>Let me tell you all something. Imagine this. Why would God make one inevitably and relentlessly disposed toward sanctification, yet leave him to allow sin in his life? This is incongruent. Does God produce half-works (at best)?</p>
<p>Here is the answer:</p>
<p>God gave us a divine nature that cannot sin. He gave us all things that pertain to life and to godliness. He gave us exceedingly precious and great promises whereby we can be delivered from the lusts of the world.</p>
<p>But what gets imparted to us when we are regenerated by faith is in seed form. All those potentials lie latent in that divine nature. Like the small seed of a mighty oak, they need to be cultivated by light, depth, nourishment, hydration, and time. That small seed, imparted by regeneration, has unlimited potential! But that seed, by itself, although having the potential to produce a tree of indescribable stature and glory, needs the tender loving care of the one entrusted with it.</p>
<p>Why is one Christian more productive than the other? Precisely because he has contributed greater facilitation to that seed than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio da Rosa</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-103996</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio da Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nate,

Am I banned or something? Why did you delete my comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nate,</p>
<p>Am I banned or something? Why did you delete my comment?</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-103613</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabrielle,

You said, &quot;Generally, people who don’t believe in Lordship accuse “us” of saying that works are needed for salvation.

That is NOT what “we” are saying.&quot;

Would you be interested in quotes from LS authors that contradict this?  And how many would influence you to think otherwise? 1, 10, ?  I recently did a short study of one book and found at least 30.  The author would be someone very familiar to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabrielle,</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;Generally, people who don’t believe in Lordship accuse “us” of saying that works are needed for salvation.</p>
<p>That is NOT what “we” are saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you be interested in quotes from LS authors that contradict this?  And how many would influence you to think otherwise? 1, 10, ?  I recently did a short study of one book and found at least 30.  The author would be someone very familiar to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Burrows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce Burrows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taken back the more I think and read on this yet grateful in learning of this perversion of free grace by Zanes.  I&#039;m seeing where his version is simply free will renamed.  Spurgeon and Edwards and Newton all preached free grace and called it just that:  free grace.  Takes my breath away.  Free grace to me will always be the foundation...the old path ~ God&#039;s sovereignly free, amazing, and triumphant grace rather than man&#039;s free will being at the wheel turning the key when can&#039;t being dead &quot;in Adam&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taken back the more I think and read on this yet grateful in learning of this perversion of free grace by Zanes.  I&#8217;m seeing where his version is simply free will renamed.  Spurgeon and Edwards and Newton all preached free grace and called it just that:  free grace.  Takes my breath away.  Free grace to me will always be the foundation&#8230;the old path ~ God&#8217;s sovereignly free, amazing, and triumphant grace rather than man&#8217;s free will being at the wheel turning the key when can&#8217;t being dead &#8220;in Adam&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tannya</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-97987</link>
		<dc:creator>Tannya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am newly saved and have just begun to study to bible, so I am probably unqualified to voice an opinion but I felt compelled to do so.  I believe, according to what I have read about God in the bible, that He alone decides for each man, woman, and child who is saved and who is condemmned.  God is very clear about what is required to obtain salvation but I don&#039;t think you can lose it, can you?  Wasn&#039;t that the point of Jesus Christ dying for our sins.  It seems pointless to speculate about each other&#039;s salvation in this light.  I think, instead, as Christians we should invest our energies in praying for those who have lost their way.  That&#039;s just my humble opinion and perhaps I missed the point all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am newly saved and have just begun to study to bible, so I am probably unqualified to voice an opinion but I felt compelled to do so.  I believe, according to what I have read about God in the bible, that He alone decides for each man, woman, and child who is saved and who is condemmned.  God is very clear about what is required to obtain salvation but I don&#8217;t think you can lose it, can you?  Wasn&#8217;t that the point of Jesus Christ dying for our sins.  It seems pointless to speculate about each other&#8217;s salvation in this light.  I think, instead, as Christians we should invest our energies in praying for those who have lost their way.  That&#8217;s just my humble opinion and perhaps I missed the point all together.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray B..</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray B..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC ,
  Thank you for the discussion. &quot; We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.&quot; Heb. 3 : 14</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC ,<br />
  Thank you for the discussion. &#8221; We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.&#8221; Heb. 3 : 14</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-97753</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Wow, I missed that so I went and took a long...look and I can see that either you are not sure so your asking but what your saying by your answers you seem sure. So maybe your just trying to convince others of your view. 

I have to admit I haven&#039;t read all of the response to the Heb 6 issue and really don&#039;t need to because I do know one thing, Christ died for me cause I couldn&#039;t pay the price and no one before Him was qualified and no one since.  I can do nothing to earn it, keep it, or continue in it.  May I genuinelly suggest you do a study on the topic of pride because pride is the only thing I can think of that would make one think he can by works save himself.  

May God give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him and may the eyes of your heart be enlightened so that you will know what is the hope of His calling and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints and what is the surpassing greatness of HIS POWER toward us who believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>Wow, I missed that so I went and took a long&#8230;look and I can see that either you are not sure so your asking but what your saying by your answers you seem sure. So maybe your just trying to convince others of your view. </p>
<p>I have to admit I haven&#8217;t read all of the response to the Heb 6 issue and really don&#8217;t need to because I do know one thing, Christ died for me cause I couldn&#8217;t pay the price and no one before Him was qualified and no one since.  I can do nothing to earn it, keep it, or continue in it.  May I genuinelly suggest you do a study on the topic of pride because pride is the only thing I can think of that would make one think he can by works save himself.  </p>
<p>May God give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him and may the eyes of your heart be enlightened so that you will know what is the hope of His calling and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints and what is the surpassing greatness of HIS POWER toward us who believe.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2008/01/10/a-quote-from-zane-hodges-2/comment-page-1/#comment-97739</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,
From the article above click on &#039;comes from here&#039; reference and read his &#039;My Response&#039; which is near the bottom of the page and highlighted red. No sense me repeating.

God keeps us, He promises us, the Bible tells me so.
KC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,<br />
From the article above click on &#8216;comes from here&#8217; reference and read his &#8216;My Response&#8217; which is near the bottom of the page and highlighted red. No sense me repeating.</p>
<p>God keeps us, He promises us, the Bible tells me so.<br />
KC</p>
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