Comments on: The Gospel and Personal Evangelism http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:00:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Daniel Chaney http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-83438 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:17:44 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-83438 Not ALL infants are elect of God because to say this would be to say that they can lose their salvation. If they are elect of God, then they WILL be saved. But not all of them will be saved so they are not all elect. Not ALL infants are elect of God because to say this would be to say that they can lose their salvation. If they are elect of God, then they WILL be saved. But not all of them will be saved so they are not all elect.

]]> by: Keith http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-83312 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:14:30 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-83312 Spurgeon said, “all infants are elect of God and are therefore saved” Why don’t we kill our children in infancy to assure their salvation? Why are we pro-life? Spurgeon goes on to say,” we do sometimes hope that thus the multitude of the saved shall be made to exceed the multitude of the lost”. But does this not contracdict that “Few there be that find the road that leads to life? Spurgeon said, “all infants are elect of God and are therefore saved”
Why don’t we kill our children in infancy to assure their salvation?
Why are we pro-life?

Spurgeon goes on to say,” we do sometimes hope that thus the multitude of the saved shall be made to exceed the multitude of the lost”.
But does this not contracdict that “Few there be that find the road that leads to life?

]]> by: Keith http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-82896 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:18:13 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-82896 Questions Where in the Bible does it tell Christians in general to warn people about hell? Should we pattern our preaching after the sermons in the book of ACTS? Why is their no mention of hell in the book of ACTS? When Paul preached the Gospel in the book of ACTS why did he not mention hell? Is that an incomplete presentation of the Gospel? Why does Paul never mention hell in the epistles? Why does the Gospel of John not mention hell? Where does the Bible say hell is in the after life? Why did not God warn Adam and Eve about hell? Did the ancient Hebrews have a concept of a burning hell? Why do you call Abraham’s Bosom “Paradise”? Why did Lazarus go to Abraham’s Bossom? Do you believe the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable? Questions

Where in the Bible does it tell Christians in general to warn people about hell?

Should we pattern our preaching after the sermons in the book of ACTS?

Why is their no mention of hell in the book of ACTS?

When Paul preached the Gospel in the book of ACTS why did he not mention hell?

Is that an incomplete presentation of the Gospel?

Why does Paul never mention hell in the epistles?

Why does the Gospel of John not mention hell?

Where does the Bible say hell is in the after life?

Why did not God warn Adam and Eve about hell?

Did the ancient Hebrews have a concept of a burning hell?

Why do you call Abraham’s Bosom “Paradise”?

Why did Lazarus go to Abraham’s Bossom?

Do you believe the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable?

]]> by: Daniel Chaney http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75666 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:26:08 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75666 Wayne, That discussion is under "Theology Proper" Wayne,

That discussion is under “Theology Proper”

]]> by: Daniel Chaney http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75664 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:25:23 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75664 Wayne, My response to your comment is posted under "A Warning & An Open Invitation" Wayne,

My response to your comment is posted under “A Warning & An Open Invitation”

]]> by: Wayne Albrecht http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75636 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:49:17 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75636 That's fine.....we just disagree on the meaning of 'elect' then. I read the Scriptures to say that the elect are those who are saved. One gets saved by repenting and trusting. Last thing....as far as you saying that Christ did not die for all; well, you have to take that up with other Scripture that say's otherwise...... 1 Timothy 2:4 2 Peter 3:9 John 3:16 Romans 5:18,19 Mark 16:15,16 Acts 2:38,39 10:13,14,17 Revelation 22:17 God 'desires' that all men be saved and that He wants 'none' to perish. Does this mean you believe in universalism? Well, it's the logical conclusion to how you intrepret election. Of course we know that all men will not be saved (Matt 7:13,14 & 22:14) Whoever calls on the Lord will be saved, but to call one must believe, and to believe one must hear the gospel. The gospel is to be preached to all, and of those who hear it, whoever calls on the Lord will be saved. The Scriptures clearly teach that salvation is conditional, and that every person is able to meet those conditions. If salvation is not conditional, why did God state conditions? If not everyone can meet the conditions, why did God insist that they be preached to everyone? Ok, I'm done. That’s fine…..we just disagree on the meaning of ‘elect’ then. I read the Scriptures to say that the elect are those who are saved. One gets saved by repenting and trusting.

Last thing….as far as you saying that Christ did not die for all; well, you have to take that up with other Scripture that say’s otherwise……

1 Timothy 2:4
2 Peter 3:9
John 3:16
Romans 5:18,19
Mark 16:15,16
Acts 2:38,39
10:13,14,17
Revelation 22:17

God ‘desires’ that all men be saved and that He wants ‘none’ to perish. Does this mean you believe in universalism? Well, it’s the logical conclusion to how you intrepret election.

Of course we know that all men will not be saved (Matt 7:13,14 & 22:14)

Whoever calls on the Lord will be saved, but to call one must believe, and to believe one must hear the gospel. The gospel is to be preached to all, and of those who hear it, whoever calls on the Lord will be saved.

The Scriptures clearly teach that salvation is conditional, and that every person is able to meet those conditions. If salvation is not conditional, why did God state conditions? If not everyone can meet the conditions, why did God insist that they be preached to everyone?

Ok, I’m done.

]]> by: Daniel Chaney http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75601 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:46:34 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75601 Wayne, I believe that Christ's death on the cross paid the penalty for the sins of the elect rather than for the sins of everyone. If Christ's death paid the penalty for everyone, then everyone will be saved because there is no more penalty for anyone's sins. But since not everyone will be saved, this shows us that Christ's atonement did not pay the penalty for everyone. However, the topic of this discussion is evangelism. There are other more appropriate places for the Calvinist/Arminiam debate so perhaps we should take it to one of them. Wayne,

I believe that Christ’s death on the cross paid the penalty for the sins of the elect rather than for the sins of everyone. If Christ’s death paid the penalty for everyone, then everyone will be saved because there is no more penalty for anyone’s sins. But since not everyone will be saved, this shows us that Christ’s atonement did not pay the penalty for everyone.

However, the topic of this discussion is evangelism. There are other more appropriate places for the Calvinist/Arminiam debate so perhaps we should take it to one of them.

]]> by: Wayne Albrecht http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75595 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:45:57 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-75595 The only folks who go to heaven are those who repent and trust the Gospel. Period. Jesus' first words in the Gospel of Mark was 'Repent and believe the Gospel.' Daniel - you said, "If Christ’s death paid the penalty for the sins of every person who ever lived, then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay, so all people will go to heaven, without exception. I know you do not believe this." What does this mean? Specifically "...then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay..." If someone dies in their sins without repenting and trusting Jesus to save them, they go to hell and pay their own penalty. The opposite is true for the one who repents and trusts Jesus to save them. Jesus pays/paid the penalty. The only folks who go to heaven are those who repent and trust the Gospel. Period. Jesus’ first words in the Gospel of Mark was ‘Repent and believe the Gospel.’

Daniel - you said, “If Christ’s death paid the penalty for the sins of every person who ever lived, then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay, so all people will go to heaven, without exception. I know you do not believe this.”

What does this mean? Specifically “…then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay…”

If someone dies in their sins without repenting and trusting Jesus to save them, they go to hell and pay their own penalty.

The opposite is true for the one who repents and trusts Jesus to save them. Jesus pays/paid the penalty.

]]> by: Daniel Chaney http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-74526 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:20:33 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-74526 Vince, The "what if" in Romans 9:22 is not saying that this is not what happened, but is in fact the opposite of that; it is asking a question, for the purpose of answering those who argue with this view. You said, "What Scripture says is that God made provision for all..." If Christ's death paid the penalty for the sins of every person who ever lived, then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay, so all people will go to heaven, without exception. I know you do not believe this. Vince,

The “what if” in Romans 9:22 is not saying that this is not what happened, but is in fact the opposite of that; it is asking a question, for the purpose of answering those who argue with this view.

You said, “What Scripture says is that God made provision for all…” If Christ’s death paid the penalty for the sins of every person who ever lived, then there is no penalty left for anyone to pay, so all people will go to heaven, without exception. I know you do not believe this.

]]> by: Vince http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-74505 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:48:17 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/11/09/the-gospel-and-personal-evangelism/#comment-74505 Dan, You like to beat the same misinterpreted drum. From other posting it is obvious that rightly dividing the truth is not a concept you practice since you seem to practice selective reading. As do most Calvinists. Yes, the fireman could do everything you mentioned. But regarding God the issue is simple - Scriptures don't say He didn't choose to save them. Again, look at Rom. 9:22 - "what if." What Scripture says is that God made provision for all; however, only those who repent and believe will be saved. Calvinisn and Calvinist like to preach God's sovereignty; however, they think that their God must be very small since His soverignty could be threated by the human will. Dan,
You like to beat the same misinterpreted drum. From other posting it is obvious that rightly dividing the truth is not a concept you practice since you seem to practice selective reading. As do most Calvinists.

Yes, the fireman could do everything you mentioned. But regarding God the issue is simple - Scriptures don’t say He didn’t choose to save them. Again, look at Rom. 9:22 - “what if.” What Scripture says is that God made provision for all; however, only those who repent and believe will be saved.

Calvinisn and Calvinist like to preach God’s sovereignty; however, they think that their God must be very small since His soverignty could be threated by the human will.

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