Comments on: Charismatics and the Sovereignty of Satan http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Philip Lazar http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-104475 Philip Lazar Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:57:44 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-104475 Waring groups can score points by exodus. But accusing each other on siminal points can not hold truth. As a Non-cessationist I want to ask those who hold to cessationism When you speak about a true mark of the true church is Faithful preaching, Faithful celebration of scaraments and Faithfull church discipline why satan is called to exercise power over a disciplined person 2 Cor 5:4 and 1 Tim 1:20? Does that happens today? Kenneth Hagan or John MacArthur is not the deciding point to look after. Does the 21st Century Church had the Power/Authority to bring satan in the scence to execute God's Judgement upon its own people of Whom Jesus Christ has promised that He will Build His Church by using Satan. The issue is not about Sovereignty of Satan or of God its all about human pride James 4:1 that had taken a higher place in christian circle without giving a fair hearing of both sides. I want to ask that group and that sister who left that charismatic church and joined Grace Community,Does all Charismatics believes satan is Sovereign? Philip Lazar From India. Waring groups can score points by exodus. But accusing each other on siminal points can not hold truth. As a Non-cessationist I want to ask those who hold to cessationism When you speak about a true mark of the true church is Faithful preaching, Faithful celebration of scaraments and Faithfull church discipline why satan is called to exercise power over a disciplined person 2 Cor 5:4 and 1 Tim 1:20? Does that happens today? Kenneth Hagan or John MacArthur is not the deciding point to look after. Does the 21st Century Church had the Power/Authority to bring satan in the scence to execute God’s Judgement upon its own people of Whom Jesus Christ has promised that He will Build His Church by using Satan. The issue is not about Sovereignty of Satan or of God its all about human pride James 4:1 that had taken a higher place in christian circle without giving a fair hearing of both sides. I want to ask that group and that sister who left that charismatic church and joined Grace Community,Does all Charismatics believes satan is Sovereign?

Philip Lazar From India.

]]> By: miles http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-85031 miles Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:37 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-85031 Thank you for such a great article. As a Penticostal who is a firm believer in the continuation of spiritual gifts, I am very dissapointed in the direction that the Charismatic movement has taken. The evangelical movement is full of extremes though. From some denominations eliminating the use of musical instruments, to fundamentalists who allign themselves with white supremecists and anti semites. The thing to remember is that the people who do these things are sincere, and we need to pray for them. The thing that scares me about so many of the ideas stated in the article is that in no way can you legitamately look at scripture in its entirety to justify these theological ideas. Id like to know what happened to believers actually studying and thinking thru things, rather than just following the lead of the leader of some megachurch or televangelist. We must pray that the church becomes a body that is more in balance with the leading of the Holy Spirit, and of course with the authority of the word of God. Thank you for such a great article. As a Penticostal who is a firm believer in the continuation of spiritual gifts, I am very dissapointed in the direction that the Charismatic movement has taken. The evangelical movement is full of extremes though. From some denominations eliminating the use of musical instruments, to fundamentalists who allign themselves with white supremecists and anti semites. The thing to remember is that the people who do these things are sincere, and we need to pray for them.

The thing that scares me about so many of the ideas stated in the article is that in no way can you legitamately look at scripture in its entirety to justify these theological ideas. Id like to know what happened to believers actually studying and thinking thru things, rather than just following the lead of the leader of some megachurch or televangelist. We must pray that the church becomes a body that is more in balance with the leading of the Holy Spirit, and of course with the authority of the word of God.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-48555 Jennifer Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:01:20 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-48555 Ya know, satan traffics in extremes. All error can be based on some part of the scripture, but error cannot hold up under the scutiny of the entire Word of God. It seems like cessationists act like the only one who can do supernatual works is the devil, and those who practice the gifts of the Holy Spirit can't be operating in God, because He doesn't do these things anymore. (?!) So who is making satan sovereign? Warfare is real, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and rulers in high places. If we do not heed this instruction, we're gonna be knocked sideways, oh, we'll make it to heaven, limping and crawling, who needs that? Let's be balanced people. Ya know, satan traffics in extremes.

All error can be based on some part of the scripture, but error cannot hold up under the scutiny of the entire Word of God.
It seems like cessationists act like the only one who can do supernatual works is the devil, and those who practice the gifts of the Holy Spirit can’t be operating in God, because He doesn’t do these things anymore. (?!)
So who is making satan sovereign?
Warfare is real, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and rulers in high places.
If we do not heed this instruction, we’re gonna be knocked sideways,
oh, we’ll make it to heaven, limping and crawling, who needs that?
Let’s be balanced people.

]]> By: Faye http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-46386 Faye Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:33:57 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-46386 I have attended one charismatic church that taught that there was a demon behind every door and another one that was much more biblically grounded so every church is very different. I am grateful to God for leading me to read Dr. John MacArthur's book "Charismatic Chaos". My eyes were opened to many of the traditions of "man" that were taught in the charismatic churches that had questionable scriptural backing. I am free from most of these man-made traditions and I have a stronger passion for God's Word and for God's sovereignty. I have also left behind reading books by Christians that have no more formal training in theology than I have, like Beth Moore or Joyce Meyer. I can research concordances, dictionaries, and commentaries as well as they can. However I still need teaching from good Christian scholars like Dr. MacArthur who have been trained to do in-depth studies of the original language, customs , history, hermeneutics etc. I have attended one charismatic church that taught that there was a demon behind every door and another one that was much more biblically grounded so every church is very different.
I am grateful to God for leading me to read Dr. John MacArthur’s book “Charismatic Chaos”. My eyes were opened to many of the traditions of “man” that were taught in the charismatic churches that had questionable scriptural backing. I am free from most of these man-made traditions and I have a stronger passion for God’s Word and for God’s sovereignty. I have also left behind reading books by Christians that have no more formal training in theology than I have, like Beth Moore or Joyce Meyer. I can research concordances, dictionaries, and commentaries as well as they can. However I still need teaching from good Christian scholars like Dr. MacArthur who have been trained to do in-depth studies of the original language, customs , history, hermeneutics etc.

]]> By: J.Smit http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-45413 J.Smit Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:00:35 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-45413 CBX Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard Browne, Jesse duPlantis, Benny Hinn, Createaflow A' Dollars... sorry, Creflo A. Dollar, Rhema Cauly/ Ray MaCauly... All are sold out to the World. Rhema even went so far as to attend the 1999 Parliament of the World's Religions in Cape Town, RSA. No Spirit of God, shall join forces with the World and satan. For those who do not know: the PWR is meant to find the "good points" in all religions and combine them eventually, to become the foundations of their "One-World Religion". And God's servants are not invited, for they have this annoying superiority complex, which keeps them from accepting the "truth" in the lies called the World's religions. CBX

Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard Browne, Jesse duPlantis, Benny Hinn, Createaflow A’ Dollars… sorry, Creflo A. Dollar, Rhema Cauly/ Ray MaCauly… All are sold out to the World. Rhema even went so far as to attend the 1999 Parliament of the World’s Religions in Cape Town, RSA.

No Spirit of God, shall join forces with the World and satan. For those who do not know: the PWR is meant to find the “good points” in all religions and combine them eventually, to become the foundations of their “One-World Religion”. And God’s servants are not invited, for they have this annoying superiority complex, which keeps them from accepting the “truth” in the lies called the World’s religions.

]]> By: Pulpit Magazine http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-45188 Pulpit Magazine Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:01:28 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-45188 Roy, Thanks for your comment. Please note that the intro to the article does stress that this lady's experience is not necessarily true of all charismatic churches. - Nate B. Roy,

Thanks for your comment. Please note that the intro to the article does stress that this lady’s experience is not necessarily true of all charismatic churches.

- Nate B.

]]> By: Roy http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-45155 Roy Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:47:41 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-45155 While I agree with John in that Satan is not sovereign and God aloen is, I disagree with his view of the charismatic church. He should have qualified his statements by saying, "A charismatic church" and not try to make it the entire charismatic movement. I by no means am an apologist for the charismatic movement but I do attend a charismatic church and know many godly charismatics. Not one charismatic leader that I know would ever agree with any of what John has said about this lady's experience in the charismatic movement. While there are those in the charismatic church who would be guilty of the above, most would not. While I agree with John in that Satan is not sovereign and God aloen is, I disagree with his view of the charismatic church. He should have qualified his statements by saying, “A charismatic church” and not try to make it the entire charismatic movement. I by no means am an apologist for the charismatic movement but I do attend a charismatic church and know many godly charismatics. Not one charismatic leader that I know would ever agree with any of what John has said about this lady’s experience in the charismatic movement. While there are those in the charismatic church who would be guilty of the above, most would not.

]]> By: IWanthetruth http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-44454 IWanthetruth Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:39:05 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-44454 Grace, <b> "Generational Sins/bondage teaching </b> is a complete mis-interpretation of Exedous 20 (I think that is the chapter. It is erroneous! Period! Don't fall for it. I had been invoved in a "Deliverence" ministry for almost 10 years. I saw the light and the Lord showed me the truth. It is all based on mis-interpretation of nmany scriptures taken out of context. Grace,

“Generational Sins/bondage teaching is a complete mis-interpretation of Exedous 20 (I think that is the chapter. It is erroneous! Period! Don’t fall for it. I had been invoved in a “Deliverence” ministry for almost 10 years. I saw the light and the Lord showed me the truth. It is all based on mis-interpretation of nmany scriptures taken out of context.

]]> By: Chris Jackson http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-44358 Chris Jackson Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:40:20 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-44358 I am what you would call a Charismatic, I speak in tongues, I prophesy, I dream dreams etc. I most definitely do not believe that Satan is in charge of history. He is not in more than one place at one time, he is limited in his power and his primary influence is through our thoughts and beliefs. He is the god of this world and it shows! The enemy has affected the thinking and belief of Christians by causing them to think that he is more powerful than he is (they get scared of him) that they are powerless when the scripture says that they are seated with Christ in the heavenlies and that authority is given to them and that Jesus will do anything we ask in his name etc. The influence of and the strongholds set up by the enemy can be seen both within the charismatic/pentecostal movement and within the cessationist movement. Let the truth of the word be supreme not our superstitions or denominational leanings. Come on Christians, break free and believe the scriptures! I am what you would call a Charismatic, I speak in tongues, I prophesy, I dream dreams etc. I most definitely do not believe that Satan is in charge of history. He is not in more than one place at one time, he is limited in his power and his primary influence is through our thoughts and beliefs. He is the god of this world and it shows! The enemy has affected the thinking and belief of Christians by causing them to think that he is more powerful than he is (they get scared of him) that they are powerless when the scripture says that they are seated with Christ in the heavenlies and that authority is given to them and that Jesus will do anything we ask in his name etc. The influence of and the strongholds set up by the enemy can be seen both within the charismatic/pentecostal movement and within the cessationist movement. Let the truth of the word be supreme not our superstitions or denominational leanings. Come on Christians, break free and believe the scriptures!

]]> By: Clint http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/some-charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-44059 Clint Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:01:38 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/08/01/charismatics-and-the-sovereignty-of-satan/#comment-44059 I'm thankful for this article it definitely opens up our eyes to false doctrine in the charismatic world. I think we should also be careful with associating this with being the norm of charismatic churches. I am a very Reformed and well-grounded lover of Jesus but I am also charismatic in my worship and dependency on the Holy Spirit. False doctrine should ALWAYS be exposed but labeling charismatic belief as involving the sovereignty of Satan is like saying cessationists believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Bible. Both statements are unfair to both parties. I’m thankful for this article it definitely opens up our eyes to false doctrine in the charismatic world. I think we should also be careful with associating this with being the norm of charismatic churches. I am a very Reformed and well-grounded lover of Jesus but I am also charismatic in my worship and dependency on the Holy Spirit. False doctrine should ALWAYS be exposed but labeling charismatic belief as involving the sovereignty of Satan is like saying cessationists believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Bible. Both statements are unfair to both parties.

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