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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/21/ten-reasons-we-believe-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-102771</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good critique of Montgomery;
http://www.cmfnow.com/articles/pa016.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good critique of Montgomery;<br />
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/21/ten-reasons-we-believe-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-102768</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to plug Van Til. His apologetic methodology is most biblical imo.  Others capitulate the doctrine of sin in their method.  Some classical apologists have made scathing claims about the Holy Spirit.  Yet in their theology classroom, they&#039;re on target.  Apologetics and theology go hand-in-hand.  JW Montgomery imo should not be considered because of moral life choices he has made.  He has an arrogant methodology and a naive hamartiology. There are so many better men to quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to plug Van Til. His apologetic methodology is most biblical imo.  Others capitulate the doctrine of sin in their method.  Some classical apologists have made scathing claims about the Holy Spirit.  Yet in their theology classroom, they&#8217;re on target.  Apologetics and theology go hand-in-hand.  JW Montgomery imo should not be considered because of moral life choices he has made.  He has an arrogant methodology and a naive hamartiology. There are so many better men to quote.</p>
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		<title>By: Pulpit Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can You Trust the NT Gospels?</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/21/ten-reasons-we-believe-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-54694</link>
		<dc:creator>Pulpit Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can You Trust the NT Gospels?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Several weeks ago, we posted a brief overview of reasons we, as Christians, believe the Bible to be the Word of God. Along those lines, we are now beginning a series of articles regarding reasons we can trust the veracity of the New Testament Gospels. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Several weeks ago, we posted a brief overview of reasons we, as Christians, believe the Bible to be the Word of God. Along those lines, we are now beginning a series of articles regarding reasons we can trust the veracity of the New Testament Gospels. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HeIsSailing</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/21/ten-reasons-we-believe-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-31653</link>
		<dc:creator>HeIsSailing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate sez:
&quot;Though I have not read his book, he obviously stretched the idea of prophetic fulfillment too far, seeing it where the Bible itself does not make such claims.&quot;

Lockyer was a prolific author of orthodox Christianity.  He died some time ago, but his books can be found in most church libraries that don&#039;t mind stocking older stuff.

Nate continues:
&quot;I would add, of course, that for you to judge the validity of Scripture from one man’s misrepresentation is completely unfair.&quot;

Absolutely concur.  I just mentioned one tiny step in my long journey.  I would add that most of the books I read are by Christian authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate sez:<br />
&#8220;Though I have not read his book, he obviously stretched the idea of prophetic fulfillment too far, seeing it where the Bible itself does not make such claims.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lockyer was a prolific author of orthodox Christianity.  He died some time ago, but his books can be found in most church libraries that don&#8217;t mind stocking older stuff.</p>
<p>Nate continues:<br />
&#8220;I would add, of course, that for you to judge the validity of Scripture from one man’s misrepresentation is completely unfair.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely concur.  I just mentioned one tiny step in my long journey.  I would add that most of the books I read are by Christian authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HeIsSailing,

Thank you for your comment. I was sincerely saddened when I read about your Lockyer experience. Though I have not read his book, he obviously stretched the idea of prophetic fulfillment too far, seeing it where the Bible itself does not make such claims. I&#039;m sorry his book left such a bad taste in your mouth.

I would add, of course, that for you to judge the validity of Scripture from one man&#039;s misrepresentation is completely unfair. There are many prophetic passages that were fulfilled completely and literally in Jesus Christ, and we will look at some of them in upcoming posts.

You mentioned that you spent much time prayerfully investigating the truth claims of the Christian faith. To whom you were praying, we&#039;re not fully sure. In any case, please know that we will be praying for you, to the God of the Bible, that He would open your eyes to see the truth.

Blessings,
Nathan Busenitz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HeIsSailing,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. I was sincerely saddened when I read about your Lockyer experience. Though I have not read his book, he obviously stretched the idea of prophetic fulfillment too far, seeing it where the Bible itself does not make such claims. I&#8217;m sorry his book left such a bad taste in your mouth.</p>
<p>I would add, of course, that for you to judge the validity of Scripture from one man&#8217;s misrepresentation is completely unfair. There are many prophetic passages that were fulfilled completely and literally in Jesus Christ, and we will look at some of them in upcoming posts.</p>
<p>You mentioned that you spent much time prayerfully investigating the truth claims of the Christian faith. To whom you were praying, we&#8217;re not fully sure. In any case, please know that we will be praying for you, to the God of the Bible, that He would open your eyes to see the truth.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Nathan Busenitz</p>
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		<title>By: HeIsSailing</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeIsSailing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your reason 3:

I think that finally killed my Christian faith was the book &quot;All the Messianic Prophecies of Scripture&quot; by Herbert Lockyer.  I understand that the Epistle to the Hebrews makes much of Old Testament episodes drawing analogies, models and types to the person and work of Jesus Christ.  But Lockyer drove these analogies to absurd levels.

For example – Exodus 27:16 describes the court of the Tabernacle which has 4 pillars.  According to Lockyer, his predicts the 4 separate Gospels of our Lord Jesus Christ.  There are 3 spaces between the 4 pillars, representing not only the Trinity of Father, Son and Spirit, but also – check this – Jesus’ Threefold Title of Lord Jesus Christ, and that Jesus was the Way, the Truth and the Life.  Lockyer&#039;s book is filled to the brim with sort of nonsense – over 500 pages of invented contrivances.  Then it hit me.  Lockyer was taking passages from the Old Testament and turning it into Messianic Prophecy.  Isn’t it also possible that the Gospel writers did the same thing?  Because I see no stylistic difference between cutting out of context OT passages to paste into a Messiah, ala Lockyer, or cutting out of context OT passages to paste into a Messiah, ala Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

When that realization hit me, that was about the end of my Christian belief.  After much reading, investigation, and yes, prayer, I don&#039;t think any of Torrey&#039;s 9 other reasons hold much more water than this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your reason 3:</p>
<p>I think that finally killed my Christian faith was the book &#8220;All the Messianic Prophecies of Scripture&#8221; by Herbert Lockyer.  I understand that the Epistle to the Hebrews makes much of Old Testament episodes drawing analogies, models and types to the person and work of Jesus Christ.  But Lockyer drove these analogies to absurd levels.</p>
<p>For example – Exodus 27:16 describes the court of the Tabernacle which has 4 pillars.  According to Lockyer, his predicts the 4 separate Gospels of our Lord Jesus Christ.  There are 3 spaces between the 4 pillars, representing not only the Trinity of Father, Son and Spirit, but also – check this – Jesus’ Threefold Title of Lord Jesus Christ, and that Jesus was the Way, the Truth and the Life.  Lockyer&#8217;s book is filled to the brim with sort of nonsense – over 500 pages of invented contrivances.  Then it hit me.  Lockyer was taking passages from the Old Testament and turning it into Messianic Prophecy.  Isn’t it also possible that the Gospel writers did the same thing?  Because I see no stylistic difference between cutting out of context OT passages to paste into a Messiah, ala Lockyer, or cutting out of context OT passages to paste into a Messiah, ala Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.</p>
<p>When that realization hit me, that was about the end of my Christian belief.  After much reading, investigation, and yes, prayer, I don&#8217;t think any of Torrey&#8217;s 9 other reasons hold much more water than this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is interesting that so many different groups ranging from evangelical Christians to Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses can agree that the Bible is authoritative yet come to such diverse views of what the nature of that message is.  Even Socinus, an early Unitarian, held that scripture was authoritative and without error.

I think the more interesting discussion is the context in which we interpret scripture and how we apply it to our lives.  One can hold to an inerrent scripture but deny inerrancy de facto in the way it is interpreted and practiced.  

I have a few other quibbles with some of the reasons stated, mostly on philosophical grounds, not enough time to go into here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is interesting that so many different groups ranging from evangelical Christians to Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses can agree that the Bible is authoritative yet come to such diverse views of what the nature of that message is.  Even Socinus, an early Unitarian, held that scripture was authoritative and without error.</p>
<p>I think the more interesting discussion is the context in which we interpret scripture and how we apply it to our lives.  One can hold to an inerrent scripture but deny inerrancy de facto in the way it is interpreted and practiced.  </p>
<p>I have a few other quibbles with some of the reasons stated, mostly on philosophical grounds, not enough time to go into here.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot depends on what&#039;s meant by &quot;the Word of God.&quot; If we mean &quot;the words of God,&quot; as in the doctrine of inerrancy, that&#039;s one particular understanding of scripture. And the fact that a book keeps saying (in this interpretation) &quot;These are the words of God&quot; doesn&#039;t constitute proof that they are even if people wrote it 100,000 times. That just isn&#039;t proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot depends on what&#8217;s meant by &#8220;the Word of God.&#8221; If we mean &#8220;the words of God,&#8221; as in the doctrine of inerrancy, that&#8217;s one particular understanding of scripture. And the fact that a book keeps saying (in this interpretation) &#8220;These are the words of God&#8221; doesn&#8217;t constitute proof that they are even if people wrote it 100,000 times. That just isn&#8217;t proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, I saw the link at SI.  Thanks for post.  Edifying and strengthening.

Come this fall, it will be 490 years since the Luther&#039;s 95 thesis.

I am praying about composing 95 short propositions on the grace and glory of God for the I-15 Idaho/Utah corridor to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, I saw the link at SI.  Thanks for post.  Edifying and strengthening.</p>
<p>Come this fall, it will be 490 years since the Luther&#8217;s 95 thesis.</p>
<p>I am praying about composing 95 short propositions on the grace and glory of God for the I-15 Idaho/Utah corridor to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

&lt;em&gt;Ultimately, however, the power of the Word itself is what will prevail&lt;/em&gt;

You are absolutely right ... The Spirit working through Word is ultimately what must convince the unbeliever. I&#039;ll be posting some clarifications tomorrow that I think will make that clear.

Thanks for your comment,
NB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p><em>Ultimately, however, the power of the Word itself is what will prevail</em></p>
<p>You are absolutely right &#8230; The Spirit working through Word is ultimately what must convince the unbeliever. I&#8217;ll be posting some clarifications tomorrow that I think will make that clear.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment,<br />
NB</p>
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