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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Age of Accountability&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Terry Grogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Grogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own thoughts on the subject of &quot;The Age of Accountability&quot; echo to a greta degree those of John MacArthur.  (Note: We lost my nephew at teh age of 13 - before he was confirmed.)

I agree that there is no set age of accountability - if for no other reason than that there are people who are what is often called retarded (i.e., who remain under the care of their parents to what would normally be an advanced age).

Anyway, my take on this Biblically, is that as long as one dwells in their Father&#039;s (or Mother&#039;s hosue depending on circumstances), that person is under the protection of the head of the house - and is covered by their ultimate Faith.

As examples, I would put forth the Exodus story whereby the Angel of Death &quot;Passed Over&quot; everyone in the house who had put the blood of the lamb on their door lentels.  There is also the story of Jericho where God spared everone in the house of Rahab.

In this way everyone in the world stands condemed - who is not a Beleiver - or under the authority of one who is, or at least will be before they die.

Thus, I beleive that the children of pagans - who die in infancy - are Biblically condemend, while those under the authority of Believers are saved.  

In the case of my Nephew, his father was not a Beleiver when his son died, but has since given his life to Christ.  In this way, I believe he was able to also save his son eternally.

If one say that all babies - even those of pagans - are saved if they die in infancy, then one could actually come to the conclusion that it would be an eternallly good thing for someone to murder them all when they are born.  This, of course is totally un-biblical.

My observation of anyone still under the authority of there parents being covered by their belief allows for the saving of Christian infants - without a break down in logic.

It would also appear to be quite biblical, since the Angel of Death does pass over those in the houses of Exodus and Jericho who&#039;s head was a Believer.

I would also point out the Angel of Death did not pass over the infants - of any age - of the Egyptian pagans.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own thoughts on the subject of &#8220;The Age of Accountability&#8221; echo to a greta degree those of John MacArthur.  (Note: We lost my nephew at teh age of 13 &#8211; before he was confirmed.)</p>
<p>I agree that there is no set age of accountability &#8211; if for no other reason than that there are people who are what is often called retarded (i.e., who remain under the care of their parents to what would normally be an advanced age).</p>
<p>Anyway, my take on this Biblically, is that as long as one dwells in their Father&#8217;s (or Mother&#8217;s hosue depending on circumstances), that person is under the protection of the head of the house &#8211; and is covered by their ultimate Faith.</p>
<p>As examples, I would put forth the Exodus story whereby the Angel of Death &#8220;Passed Over&#8221; everyone in the house who had put the blood of the lamb on their door lentels.  There is also the story of Jericho where God spared everone in the house of Rahab.</p>
<p>In this way everyone in the world stands condemed &#8211; who is not a Beleiver &#8211; or under the authority of one who is, or at least will be before they die.</p>
<p>Thus, I beleive that the children of pagans &#8211; who die in infancy &#8211; are Biblically condemend, while those under the authority of Believers are saved.  </p>
<p>In the case of my Nephew, his father was not a Beleiver when his son died, but has since given his life to Christ.  In this way, I believe he was able to also save his son eternally.</p>
<p>If one say that all babies &#8211; even those of pagans &#8211; are saved if they die in infancy, then one could actually come to the conclusion that it would be an eternallly good thing for someone to murder them all when they are born.  This, of course is totally un-biblical.</p>
<p>My observation of anyone still under the authority of there parents being covered by their belief allows for the saving of Christian infants &#8211; without a break down in logic.</p>
<p>It would also appear to be quite biblical, since the Angel of Death does pass over those in the houses of Exodus and Jericho who&#8217;s head was a Believer.</p>
<p>I would also point out the Angel of Death did not pass over the infants &#8211; of any age &#8211; of the Egyptian pagans.</p>
<p>TG</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Richardson</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/04/the-age-of-accountability/comment-page-2/#comment-97719</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On being saved by grace THROUGh FAITH issue raised above.  Are children saved just by grace without faith? Is is possible that Jesus comes to the children at the moment of death and their spirits choose to trust the Savior? In the paralytics situation Jesus healed the man without any expression of faith on his part - just the faith of his friends who lowered him down on the mat. I don&#039;t have the answer on this issue but would the God who is Love, the God who did not spare his own son, would this God condemn children who have not had the ability to trust in Chirst? This would mean all infants and miscarriages and any severely mentally disabled person would automatically go to hell. This doesn&#039;t seem consistent with the God of the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On being saved by grace THROUGh FAITH issue raised above.  Are children saved just by grace without faith? Is is possible that Jesus comes to the children at the moment of death and their spirits choose to trust the Savior? In the paralytics situation Jesus healed the man without any expression of faith on his part &#8211; just the faith of his friends who lowered him down on the mat. I don&#8217;t have the answer on this issue but would the God who is Love, the God who did not spare his own son, would this God condemn children who have not had the ability to trust in Chirst? This would mean all infants and miscarriages and any severely mentally disabled person would automatically go to hell. This doesn&#8217;t seem consistent with the God of the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Richardson</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/04/the-age-of-accountability/comment-page-2/#comment-97713</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt 19, Mk 10 and Lk 19 all have Jesus saying of children that the kingdom of God is made of such. Jeremiah 19:3, 4 speaks of the blood of the innocent, then the burning of sons to Baal. the passages mentioned by Donna also give evidence that God does not hold children and teens accountable for their actions the way adults are. This is not to say that children are not sinners but to say that God seems to understand that children do not have the same ability to make decisions as adults and thus God excuses them. Of course it is only by His grace and through the sacrifice of Christ that anyone is able to be saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt 19, Mk 10 and Lk 19 all have Jesus saying of children that the kingdom of God is made of such. Jeremiah 19:3, 4 speaks of the blood of the innocent, then the burning of sons to Baal. the passages mentioned by Donna also give evidence that God does not hold children and teens accountable for their actions the way adults are. This is not to say that children are not sinners but to say that God seems to understand that children do not have the same ability to make decisions as adults and thus God excuses them. Of course it is only by His grace and through the sacrifice of Christ that anyone is able to be saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been interesting to read but what about the &quot;Age of Accountability&quot;? This covers not only infants who die but children under the age of 20.  Here are my scriptures for reference for any of you to dig into and study...

Deuteronomy 1:39 
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. 

Isaiah 7:16 
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. 

Numbers 14:29 
Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, 

Exodus 30:14 
Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. 

Numbers 1:3 
From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies. 

Numbers 26:2 
Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, from twenty years old and upward, throughout their fathers&#039; house, all that are able to go to war in Israel. 

Exodus 30:14-16 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls. And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been interesting to read but what about the &#8220;Age of Accountability&#8221;? This covers not only infants who die but children under the age of 20.  Here are my scriptures for reference for any of you to dig into and study&#8230;</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 1:39<br />
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. </p>
<p>Isaiah 7:16<br />
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. </p>
<p>Numbers 14:29<br />
Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, </p>
<p>Exodus 30:14<br />
Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. </p>
<p>Numbers 1:3<br />
From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies. </p>
<p>Numbers 26:2<br />
Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, from twenty years old and upward, throughout their fathers&#8217; house, all that are able to go to war in Israel. </p>
<p>Exodus 30:14-16 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls. And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.</p>
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		<title>By: (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>(((((HUGS)))))  sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so excited to find this!  Not just the post itself, but the discussion that has ensued.  My neighbor and I were having this discussion very recently and plan to delve into scripture and come back and share again together.  (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so excited to find this!  Not just the post itself, but the discussion that has ensued.  My neighbor and I were having this discussion very recently and plan to delve into scripture and come back and share again together.  (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</p>
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		<title>By: Ray B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Romans 5 does not say we inherit sin then every infant is innocent. They have no sins  for which they must repent. How can they understand rebellion to God and His law ? Since faith comes from hearing the word of God , Rom. 10 : 17 , then how can they believe to be saved ? Infants who die , die in a saved condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Romans 5 does not say we inherit sin then every infant is innocent. They have no sins  for which they must repent. How can they understand rebellion to God and His law ? Since faith comes from hearing the word of God , Rom. 10 : 17 , then how can they believe to be saved ? Infants who die , die in a saved condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin ,
  It is only a matter of what the text teaches. You have come to the text with preconceived traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin ,<br />
  It is only a matter of what the text teaches. You have come to the text with preconceived traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave N</title>
		<link>http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/06/04/the-age-of-accountability/comment-page-2/#comment-29414</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Good stuff to think about here.  

I think Nate and J-Mac&#039;s point can be clearly seen in the Titus 3:4-7 passage they cited (emphasis mine):  &quot;But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,  NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,  whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,  that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Good stuff to think about here.  </p>
<p>I think Nate and J-Mac&#8217;s point can be clearly seen in the Titus 3:4-7 passage they cited (emphasis mine):  &#8220;But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,  NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,  whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,  that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a child is a perfect example of those who enter the kingdom of God, who are in total dependency of God through His sovereign grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a child is a perfect example of those who enter the kingdom of God, who are in total dependency of God through His sovereign grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Iwanthetruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iwanthetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute. Doesn&#039;t this line of thought of being &quot;innocent&quot; which if I am hearing correctly also leads to the though that then children are innocent from sin and this seems to play along with the beliefs of Open Theism (that man is sinless at birth but what decisions are made can take him into sin).

???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute. Doesn&#8217;t this line of thought of being &#8220;innocent&#8221; which if I am hearing correctly also leads to the though that then children are innocent from sin and this seems to play along with the beliefs of Open Theism (that man is sinless at birth but what decisions are made can take him into sin).</p>
<p>???????</p>
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