Comments on: God’s Word on Spanking (Part 3 of 3) http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rebecca http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-22891 Rebecca Thu, 17 May 2007 16:54:46 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-22891 Do you think Jesus would spank a child? To rescue his soul from Sheol, I do believe He would. Do you believe Jesus would turn over a table in the temple? Do you think Jesus would spank a child? To rescue his soul from Sheol, I do believe He would.

Do you believe Jesus would turn over a table in the temple?

]]> By: james http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-20283 james Tue, 01 May 2007 03:29:13 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-20283 do you think jesus would spank a child? do you think jesus would spank a child?

]]> By: keith crosby http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17927 keith crosby Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:19:44 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-17927 James, Maybe you should read proverbs and ask yourself this question... what do the words of the text say...not what do you wish they said... Kind of like you do with your microsoft manual...you read the words... " Proverbs 23:13 13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die. Proverbs 23:14 14 You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol. Rod + Strike = Corporal discipline... Now, maybe rod means stool and strike means put him on the stool for a time out... Nope, that's a non-authoritative statement...reading into the text... Corporal discipline is not the only tool... but it is a biblical means of discipline... and try as we might... we cannot ignore that fact from the authoritative Scriptures... James,

Maybe you should read proverbs and ask yourself this question… what do the words of the text say…not what do you wish they said…

Kind of like you do with your microsoft manual…you read the words… ”

Proverbs 23:13 13 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you strike him with the rod, he will not die.

Proverbs 23:14 14 You shall strike him with the rod And rescue his soul from Sheol.

Rod + Strike = Corporal discipline…

Now, maybe rod means stool and strike means put him on the stool for a time out… Nope, that’s a non-authoritative statement…reading into the text…

Corporal discipline is not the only tool… but it is a biblical means of discipline… and try as we might… we cannot ignore that fact from the authoritative Scriptures…

]]> By: james http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17134 james Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:16:27 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-17134 NB, Bob Achilles ends up with this non-authoritative statement in regards to what the Bible says about spanking: "...the Bible seems to be saying that sometimes the way to a child’s heart is through the seat of his pants." The key words here are "seems" and "sometimes". Ambiguous words, used for an ambiguous interpretation of the Scripture. What the Bible is clear on is that discipline is needed to progress in our transformation as Christians, and that we ought to discipline our children. The rod, without using ambiguous assumptions, is a symbol of discipline; discipline is sometimes a harsh and painful experience, but this does not necessarily mean spanking, or physical violence. The Bible teaches discipline, but certainly it does not teach spanking. The doctrine of spanking is built on the foundations human argument, not Divine authority. Respectfully, James NB,

Bob Achilles ends up with this non-authoritative statement in regards to what the Bible says about spanking: “…the Bible seems to be saying that sometimes the way to a child’s heart is through the seat of his pants.”
The key words here are “seems” and “sometimes”. Ambiguous words, used for an ambiguous interpretation of the Scripture. What the Bible is clear on is that discipline is needed to progress in our transformation as Christians, and that we ought to discipline our children. The rod, without using ambiguous assumptions, is a symbol of discipline; discipline is sometimes a harsh and painful experience, but this does not necessarily mean spanking, or physical violence. The Bible teaches discipline, but certainly it does not teach spanking. The doctrine of spanking is built on the foundations human argument, not Divine authority.

Respectfully,
James

]]> By: Pulpit Magazine http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17130 Pulpit Magazine Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:46:32 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-17130 James and Ron, Thanks for your comments. We would certainly agree that spanking is not the only means of discipline that parents should use with their children. Parents must exercise grace, wisdom, and patience in administering any and all punishments appropriately. But we would disagree (with James in particular) that "the rod" does not necessarily refer to corporal punishment. We believe Bob Achilles answered this objection well in <a href="http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/03/responding-to-christians-who-object-to-spanking/" rel="nofollow"><b>this post.</b></a> Thank you again for your comments. - NB James and Ron,

Thanks for your comments. We would certainly agree that spanking is not the only means of discipline that parents should use with their children. Parents must exercise grace, wisdom, and patience in administering any and all punishments appropriately. But we would disagree (with James in particular) that “the rod” does not necessarily refer to corporal punishment.

We believe Bob Achilles answered this objection well in this post.

Thank you again for your comments.
- NB

]]> By: ron http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17115 ron Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:01:48 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-17115 at 61 years of age, having studied the bible for years, and having raised three wonderful children who have become responsible young adults and followers of jesus, i wholeheartedly agree with james. discipline is required, the form is not mandated. what works for one child often doesn't with another. our loving father did not give us instructions in the bible that fit neatly into a box regarding discipline. he did give us his spirit though who will help any beliving parent figure out what loving discipline works best with each of their children. at 61 years of age, having studied the bible for years, and having raised three wonderful children who have become responsible young adults and followers of jesus, i wholeheartedly agree with james. discipline is required, the form is not mandated. what works for one child often doesn’t with another. our loving father did not give us instructions in the bible that fit neatly into a box regarding discipline. he did give us his spirit though who will help any beliving parent figure out what loving discipline works best with each of their children.

]]> By: james http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17087 james Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:47:29 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-17087 the verses discussed in section 3 nowhere give an argument for, or precedent that shows "spanking" to be a biblical form of punishment. the "rod" can be read metaphorically to mean to literally strike, but that is an assumption. the only thing it does mean, without assuming anything, is that discipline is required. what form that discipline takes is debateable, but the bible does not give us the ability to claim that the bible necessarily supports spanking as the appropriate form of discipline in raising children. the verses discussed in section 3 nowhere give an argument for, or precedent that shows “spanking” to be a biblical form of punishment. the “rod” can be read metaphorically to mean to literally strike, but that is an assumption.
the only thing it does mean, without assuming anything, is that discipline is required. what form that discipline takes is debateable, but the bible does not give us the ability to claim that the bible necessarily supports spanking as the appropriate form of discipline in raising children.

]]> By: Caleb Kolstad http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-16964 Caleb Kolstad Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:47:13 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-16964 A great series! Thanks A great series!

Thanks

]]> By: SDG http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-16829 SDG Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:12:32 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-16829 "...his or her obedience to God in the future is directly related to yours in the present" How does that statement work in light of God being the only source and means of salvation? I am confused. Please explain. That sounds to me (perhaps I am misinterpreting) as if to say that parents are responsible for redeeming their children. Is that what you are saying? If it is, could someone point me to a scriptural basis for parents being responsible for the salvation of their children? “…his or her obedience to God in the future is directly related to yours in the present”

How does that statement work in light of God being the only source and means of salvation? I am confused. Please explain. That sounds to me (perhaps I am misinterpreting) as if to say that parents are responsible for redeeming their children. Is that what you are saying? If it is, could someone point me to a scriptural basis for parents being responsible for the salvation of their children?

]]> By: Kent http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-16384 Kent Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:47:12 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/04/06/gods-word-on-spanking-part-3-of-3/#comment-16384 Excellent fleshing out of Hebrews 12 on this issue. Spanking is a divine method of training for God's children. Excellent fleshing out of Hebrews 12 on this issue. Spanking is a divine method of training for God’s children.

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