It doesn’t say “spoils of war”. It clearly says that they will burn the weapons for fuel, and clearly describes the weapons.

“Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and make fires of the weapons and burn them, shields and bucklers, bow and arrows, clubs and spears; and they will make fires of them for seven years, so that they will not need to take wood out of the field or cut down any out of the forests, for they will make their fires of the weapons. They will seize the spoil of those who despoiled them, and plunder those who plundered them, declares the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 39:9-10)

“I am curious about one thing. Where did you get that Rosh is not Russia? All the research I’ve come across and looked up indicates that Rosh is at the very least part of Russia if not Russia itself.”

Any reliable postmillennial source. Let me quote from Ralph Woodrow’s “His Truth Is Marching On”

“…the expression Gog and Magog does not, and never did, refer to Russia. That has been entirely made up from whole cloth, and simply repeated so many times that many have assumed it to be true. Ostensible reasons for this interpretation are based on a peculiar reading of Ezekiel 38:3, which speaks of “Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.” The word chief is, in the Hebrew, rosh; some have therefore translated the text as “Gog, the prince of Rosh.” Rosh sounds something like Russia; therefore Gog is the prince (or premier) of Russia. Unfortunately for this ingenious interpretation, rosh simply means “head” or “chief”, and is used over 600 times in the Old Testament — never meaning “Russia.”

Those who hold that “Gog” (a name supposedly derived from Soviet Georgia, since they both start with a “G”!) is the Soviet Premier generally make the further claim that “Meshech” is really Moscow, “Tubal” is Tobolsk, and “Gomer” (of Ezek. 38:6) is Germany. This is doubtful. ‘Moscow’ comes from the Muscovites and is a Finnish name. Moscow was first mentioned in ancient documents in 1147 A.D., when it was a small village. Some think Tubal means Tobolsk, but this is only a similarity in sound. Tobolsk was founded in 1587 A.D. Some think Gomer [Ezek. 38:6] means Germany. It is true the words ‘Gomer’ and ‘Germany’ both begin with a ‘G.’ So does guess-work.”

We are going around in circles here. This so-called “mystery age of the church” does not appear anywhere in the Scriptures. Paul tells us exactly what the mystery was in verse 6.

“This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.” (Ephesians 3:6)

There is no mention of the “church age” in Ephesians 3. The “invisible church age” is a recent invention (out of thin air), and cannot be found in the Scriptures.

Also, the “transfiguration” interpretation of Matthew 16:28 is very weak on a number of counts, as I have already pointed out. In any case, such an interpretation violates the same principles that premillennialists object to when dealing with other “comings”, such as the one on Matthew 21:40, clearly a reference to AD 70.

For a thorough defense of the postmillennial preterist view, see the following series:

Understanding the End Times
Does the Bible teach a Pre-trib Rapture?
Thomas Ice’s Pre-Trib “Evidence”
Futurist Inconsistencies Regarding the Great Tribulation
Signs of the Olivet Discourse Part I
Signs of the Olivet Discourse Part II
Signs of the Olivet Discourse Part III
Signs of the Olivet Discourse Part IV
Signs of the Olivet Discourse Part V
Apocalyptic Language in the Bible
Revelation and the Definition of Prophecy
Dating the Book of Revelation
Revelation: The Conquering Christ and the Overcoming Church
Antichrist: The Biblical View
Ar-mageddon: The Destruction of the Great Prostitute
A Defense of Postmillennialism
Who Are God’s Chosen People?

“In fact, it is in the premill system that 2/3 of Jews are wiped out in the tribulation!”
“For postmill, the majority of Jews are saved before Christ returns.”

Speaking of “fallacious claims” it looks like you ended your post with one or two of your own.

Since you’re coming from a postmill or a-mill perspective, I’ll word the challenges this way:

Regarding #1 – Please point me to where MacArthur or Nate have said anything about 2/3rds of Jews being wiped out. Also, why ignore the reality that the majority of everyone will be wiped out in the great trib? Why ignore the reality that the majority of Gentiles over the course of history have died godless? Why ignore the reality that only a remnant is saved in the Church even? Why ignore that Dick Mayhue presented an hour-long session on Day 1 of the 2007 ShepCon specifically discussing the phrase “all Israel” and how they believe that indeed all ethnic Israel in that day will be saved? Who’s really making the fallacious claims here? Who’s trying to present questions we’d all ask someone like Tim LaHaye who would actually posit a “2/3rds of Jews die” scenario?

Regarding #2 – Please show me where “the majority of Jews are saved before Christ returns” is found in Scripture (since you think amill is Scriptural). And that would need to be IN CONTEXT in Scripture, not just “hey look I found these words here that talk about [one thing], and when you spiritualize that to mean [another thing] it means that the majority of Jews are going to be saved before Christ returns!!”
Show me Christ or Paul or whomever stating, “the majority of the Jews will be saved before Christ returns”.

And what I said is not fallacious, but a sad truth: Amill Chrisitans/Catholics are the ones who

*-* do violence to the Christian witness to the Jews
*-* will stand idly by when modern day Israel is threatened,
*-* have no interest in the US supporting Israel in the UN or with military support
*-* are duped into supporting the ‘roadmap to peace’ land-for-peace process that God continues to thwart because it is contrary to his promises,
*-* and see no significance to modern day Israel on the whole and no reason to support her other than “well she’s a democracy in a region where there aren’t many” (which implies that were there other democracies in the region we would no longer have a reason to support her at all). That last one I heard directly from the mouth of a dean of a pastor’s college with an amill eschatology, so please don’t try the “fallacious” claim.

It is fact. You can also see it in the European guilt over not doing anything during the 1930s/1940s of the Holocaust when they were still amill or Catholic (also amill) countries, that has left them today (note: now mostly godless but also) wishing the Jews would just go away and stop being such a “problem” so they could stop feeling guilty everytime they hear about Israel being threatened with extermination again. They want them to just give up land, make peace, and shut up, completely ignorant of the reality of Muslim violence against the Jews that there will never be a true and lasting peace until Christ returns (because like you they don’t recognize that Satan is behind these things (Islam, land-for-peace, etc, and that they will continue until Christ returns).

I would not be surprised to see the trend now become decreasing support for Israel from the US, as amill is the eschatology of choice for dominionist, revisionist, and ecumenical groups who want to re-unite the “church” with Catholics that already hold such a view. Emerging, seeker-sensitive, and the other large social gospel groups all “happen” to have amill leanings.

It is a downward spiral and the more it is researched the more apparent it becomes. It is not active harm toward the Jews like Islam, but it is quite often passive appeasement much like Europe during WW2.

Eventually Israel will be left on her own, just as the Bible predicts will happen. But then when the nations align against her to crush her, God will show Himself mighty on her behalf. So just make sure you don’t find yourself opposite God on that matter. That’s really what it boils down to: Take heed. Your eschatology can lead to appeasement and indifference. Apathy toward Israel can be dangerous.

A word of advice for some. Take time to STUDY what answer a person has given you before posting the same question and allegations over and over and over. Sometimes the answer is right before your eyes. You may be blinded by your desire to be correct.

For the sake of time, I’ll leave most of your questions to someone else to answer, but regarding the use of “everlasting” or “eternal”, my post two days ago might be of help. I’ll repeat most of it here.

I said,
“The meaning of the Hebrew word should be contextually determined because it has a range of meaning. It might specify “eternal” or “everlasting,” BUT it could also denote “indefinite continuance into the very distant future.” Though it may refer to endlessness, the word does not contain in itself the meaning of endlessness as it may simply refer to a long age or period (see Theological Wordbook of the OT, “olam”). Context is important in each case.

In the context of the land promises of Gen 17:8, how should the “everlasting” possession be understood? The verse says the everlasting possession is the land of Abraham’s sojournings. Gen 17:8 does not communicate an unending possession, but appears to be communicating possession of the land for an unspecified long period of time into the distant future. In this case, the use of “everlasting” is not incompatible with premillennialism.”

…It should be enough to give us all pause to remember that we must be careful to inspect our motives and to never be anti-semitic and to never let us find ourselves persecuting or allowing persecution of the Jews.

This is a completely ridiculous and foolish line of argumentation that gets repeated over and over. The slippery slope argument just doesn’t hold water here and is utterly fallacious. To say that amill/postmill is anti-semitic or leads to anti-semitism just because it contemplates a different future for the Jews is irresponsible and childish. There is nothing in amill/postmill that requires or even hints of Jewish persecution, quite the contrary.

In fact, it is in the premill system that 2/3 of Jews are wiped out in the tribulation! For postmill, the majority of Jews are saved before Christ returns.

On another note, was your dad in Wichita recently? My wife and I were at Texas Roadhouse here and I saw a guy who looked very similar to your dad. Next time I make it to CA we’ll have to get together. Give me a call if you’re in Wichita. You can reach me at the number on CBC’s website.

Blessings,
Robb