Comments on: The When Question (Part 1) http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: PastorResources Blog - Beta » Blog Archive » Continuationist/Cessationist Debate http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7487 PastorResources Blog - Beta » Blog Archive » Continuationist/Cessationist Debate Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:42:28 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-7487 [...] The When Question (Part 1) [...] [...] The When Question (Part 1) [...]

]]> By: Mrs. Burrows http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7193 Mrs. Burrows Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:03:07 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-7193 oops, make that first part read 1 Corinthians 13 & 14. oops, make that first part read 1 Corinthians 13 & 14.

]]> By: Mrs. Burrows http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7192 Mrs. Burrows Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:01:50 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-7192 There are John MacArthur sermons on 1 Corinthians 13 that I've been reading at the Bible Bulletin Board that add to this discussion(Chapter 12 may be helpful, too). Thought I'd share. http://www.biblebb.com/brefindex/1co.htm There are John MacArthur sermons on 1 Corinthians 13 that I’ve been reading at the Bible Bulletin Board that add to this discussion(Chapter 12 may be helpful, too). Thought I’d share.

http://www.biblebb.com/brefindex/1co.htm

]]> By: Whyte Stonne http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6038 Whyte Stonne Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:39:14 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-6038 Hi Riley, You said "I think there’s enough ambiguity and controversy about the fulfillment of this scripture that it’s difficult to use it as a proof text one way or the other." Why do you think some people find such "ambiguity" so difficult to accept? Hi Riley,

You said “I think there’s enough ambiguity and controversy about the fulfillment of this scripture that it’s difficult to use it as a proof text one way or the other.”

Why do you think some people find such “ambiguity” so difficult to accept?

]]> By: bob s http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6027 bob s Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:25:22 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-6027 Tim, Try BIBLEBB.COM. bOB S Tim, Try BIBLEBB.COM. bOB S

]]> By: Robert Ivy http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5985 Robert Ivy Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:43:27 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-5985 I really appreciate your systematic and overtly Biblical way of approaching this debate. Too often this debate is filled with platitudes and caricatures of the other side. Cessationists and continuationists alike would do well to note that this question (as all other questions) can be be met with the word of God. There is no need or warrant to stand on other ground. I really appreciate your systematic and overtly Biblical way of approaching this debate. Too often this debate is filled with platitudes and caricatures of the other side. Cessationists and continuationists alike would do well to note that this question (as all other questions) can be be met with the word of God. There is no need or warrant to stand on other ground.

]]> By: Riley Brown http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5966 Riley Brown Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:13:54 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-5966 JSB wrote: If I may mention also Daniel 9:24 ff., which is a prophecy about Jesus and his confirming of the New Covenant (not of some future 7 year Trip). Here, the OT tells us there will be an end, a “sealing up,” of vision and prophecy after Messiah’s time. Riley: This quotation refers to Danials prophecy of the severty weeks. Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. M.Henry's quote notwithstanding I think there's enough ambiguity and controversy about the fulfillment of this scripture that it's difficult to use it as a proof text one way or the other. To do so is to plunge into a discussion of various escatological systems way beyond the scope of this forum. Personally I think the 70 weeks refers primarily to the Jews and Jerusalem. ("upon thy people (Jews)and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem)) And will be completed with a 7 year tribulation period ending with the return of Jesus. That will certainly put an end to many things. As for prophey ceasing or being sealed up in the first century around 70AD. I'm not a preterist so that doesn't work for me. (Did Jesus come back with every eye seeing him and shining from East to West? Did we miss it somehow?I don't think so.) Yours in Christ, Riley JSB wrote:
If I may mention also Daniel 9:24 ff., which is a prophecy about Jesus and his confirming of the New Covenant (not of some future 7 year Trip). Here, the OT tells us there will be an end, a “sealing up,” of vision and prophecy after Messiah’s time.

Riley:
This quotation refers to Danials prophecy of the severty weeks.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

M.Henry’s quote notwithstanding I think there’s enough ambiguity and controversy about the fulfillment of this scripture that it’s difficult to use it as a proof text one way or the other.
To do so is to plunge into a discussion of various escatological systems way beyond the scope of this forum.

Personally I think the 70 weeks refers primarily to the Jews and Jerusalem. (“upon thy people (Jews)and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem)) And will be completed with a 7 year tribulation period ending with the return of Jesus. That will certainly put an end to many things. As for prophey ceasing or being sealed up in the first century around 70AD. I’m not a preterist so that doesn’t work for me. (Did Jesus come back with every eye seeing him and shining from East to West? Did we miss it somehow?I don’t think so.)

Yours in Christ,
Riley

]]> By: Tim Olson http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5965 Tim Olson Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:30:05 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-5965 I apologize for using this comment section for this question. I am looking for Pastor MacArthur's message(s) on "Why I Love The Church" - which I read on some other blogs that he had posted on his blog. I can't find it. I first heard him preach on this in the mid 1990's at Moody Bible Institute (many of my friends said it was the greatest sermon they'd ever heard). I am trying to find it. Is it on here? Thanks for doing this blog. Christ's, Tim I apologize for using this comment section for this question. I am looking for Pastor MacArthur’s message(s) on “Why I Love The Church” – which I read on some other blogs that he had posted on his blog. I can’t find it. I first heard him preach on this in the mid 1990’s at Moody Bible Institute (many of my friends said it was the greatest sermon they’d ever heard). I am trying to find it. Is it on here?

Thanks for doing this blog.

Christ’s,
Tim

]]> By: Steven Adkins http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5951 Steven Adkins Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:05:30 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-5951 I am intrigued and look forward to the discussion of these texts. I am intrigued and look forward to the discussion of these texts.

]]> By: Pastor Jody http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5949 Pastor Jody Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:48:47 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/01/15/the-when-question-part-1/#comment-5949 In I Cor. 13:8ff, it says that prophecy and knowledge will cease. It seems that this would be speaking of prophecy and knoweldge in regards to the spiritual gifts. If that is the context in which they are spoken of, it would seem to point to a ceasing after the second coming of Christ. We will not need "supernatural knowledge" of the Holy Spirit because we will "know". We will not need "prophecy" (the forth-telling of God's will) because Christ will rule with an iron scepter. Also, I don't believe that the reasons for which the gifts were given have ceased. I think they are just as needed in our day as in the days of Acts, if not more. However, as a Pentecostal, I would be the first to admit that EVERY claim of a "genuine manifestation" of the Holy Spirit is NOT genuine. And finally, I think that if there was a time for the gifts to cease it would be addressed a lot more clearly and definitively. In I Cor. 13:8ff, it says that prophecy and knowledge will cease. It seems that this would be speaking of prophecy and knoweldge in regards to the spiritual gifts. If that is the context in which they are spoken of, it would seem to point to a ceasing after the second coming of Christ. We will not need “supernatural knowledge” of the Holy Spirit because we will “know”. We will not need “prophecy” (the forth-telling of God’s will) because Christ will rule with an iron scepter.

Also, I don’t believe that the reasons for which the gifts were given have ceased. I think they are just as needed in our day as in the days of Acts, if not more. However, as a Pentecostal, I would be the first to admit that EVERY claim of a “genuine manifestation” of the Holy Spirit is NOT genuine.

And finally, I think that if there was a time for the gifts to cease it would be addressed a lot more clearly and definitively.

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