My apologies for not following this conversation the past few days.

“Johnson Butler” and “The Pilgrim” are either the same person, or else two similar cranks tag-teaming in this masquerade. They have been answered in detail numerous times by Fred Butler at his blog. See, for example, this post and the series of posts that follow it. Alternatively, you can Google Fred’s blog, “Hip and Thigh,” for the words “Al Mohler” and “UN.”

Update: Fred Butler has kindly compiled links to all that material for us in a post currently at the top of his blog: “The Al Mohler is a U.N. agent people are back.” That will simplify the matter for everyone. (Thanks, Fred.)

Since Fred has repeatedly answered the claims of these gentlemen, I’m going to close this thread for further comments, and notify “The Pilgrim” and “Johnson Butler” (and any other future pseudonyms these guys might concoct) that if they want to debate Al Mohler’s role with the UN any further, they can take the discussion back to Fred Butler’s blog, where they will be answered (again!) by Fred, who has infinitely more patience for that kind of nonsense than I do.

The Pulpit blog forum is not the place for it, though.

Note: Since the last couple of posts from “The Pilgrim” were unsubstantiated and ungodly acusations against an entire body of elders (in defiance of 1 Timothy 5:19), I took the liberty of deleting those comments. Further comments in the same vein from him (or anyone else) will also be unceremoniously and unapologetically deleted.

All attempts to drag this discussion into any other thread at the Pulpit blog will likewise be summarily deleted.

If “Johnson Butler” or “The Pilgrim” wanted a serious discussion of their conspiracy theories (as opposed to merely using old threads here at “Pulpit” to troll for fresh people to propagandize), they could always start their own blog. Since Fred Butler has already systematically dismantled all their claims, I’m not inclined to let them set up a soapbox to continue making those claims here.

End of discussion.

I’m not joking and even if I showed you the evidence you still would deny it.

There are many educated Christians that love God’s Word and His truth and are fully aware of current events and how they tie into bible prophecy…they just may not be in the limelight and are not as prominent as many of our popular ecumenical leaders that just about everyone follows, but they are out there especially on the internet, you just have to search for them.

It’s so shocking to me that when you try to expose any smokescreen or something that is not a biblical command or that we don’t have permission from God to do, so many call you divisive or “unloving”. You know the masses accused Jesus of sedition and all He did was bear witness to the truth, yet sometimes the truth is hard to take, obviously.

You know when Dobson praised John Paul II after he died, I was compelled to send them an email that clearly he was in the wrong and I am SURE many other discerning Christians sent them emails, letters, phone calls, etc. as well, a gal there emailed me back to say that “doctrine is not the issue at least from our perspective”. I am glad she said “at least from our perspective”, because obviously that is not my perspective. Doctrine IS the heart of the issue, everything that our faith is built upon IS our doctrine. Doctrine is used repeatedly throughout scripture and much emphasis is placed upon it…..how then will we be able to discern what is right and what is wrong. Anyway it would not suprise me if Mohler is involved with the UN because of his attachment to FOTF ministry. The UN is always appeasing those muslims and those muslims proclaim “death to Israel” so we don’t want to cause an uprising…after all they control all the oil fields that the nations around the world need.

There is a scripture in proverbs that says, “Open rebuked love is better than secret love”. And the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
I’d rather have someone tell me the truth then someone flatter me.

To answer your questions about Grace Church…..no I have never been to California. The furthest west I’ve been is Utah at Arches National Park. I have never met anyone at JM’s church or rather the church he pastors.

Johnson Butler, thanks for your comments. Yes isn’t the freedom of information act wonderful. Unfortunately most people don’t use it.

You make alot of good points and you make alot of sense. You say, “If people would take the time to investigate everything and not take things at face value, they would be shocked and would then be able to see that underneath all the propagation and so called “noble causes” is actually the current of satanick global control that is slowly becoming universal.” I couldn’t agree with you more. And unfortunately, that communist global control has infiltrated and taken over the churches via the church growth movement (IT IS NOW AT GRACE CHURCH). This is why I was concerned when Macarthur started using terms like “healthy churches.” And I was very concerned when Macarthur invited globalists like Mohler into his pulpit. I’ve found that people at Grace Church are afraid to investigate their church and their church leaders. They are afraid to take a good look at people like Mohler and Dever–two men embracing the global agenda (Grace congregants are sound asleep). Grace Church leaders are now very compromised and I disagree with you that there are many educated church leaders exposing the smokescreens–true Christians exposing this are few and far between.

Can I ask if you attend Grace? Would you be interested to know that it is now becoming purpose driven? The situation at Grace is much worse than the congregation there could imagine and worse still, I believe Macarthur is well aware of the compromise (infiltration) in his church.

Thanks for your comments. The UN is under satan’s control and the UN has a hidden agenda…they hate Israel and yet God has a definite future for this tiny little nation. Those of us who know Bible prophesy know this. And God has said that He will bless those who bless Israel and He will curse those who curse Israel. Some have taught that the church has replaced Israel. That is a lie.

Some have jumped on the bandwagon of Global Warming like Brian Mclaren and Rick Warren to name a few. Global Warming has a foundation that built on lies and Al Gore propagates this through political means. God controls all the elements as in says repeatedly throughtout the Bible especially in the book of Job and Isaiah.

Many people think the Federal Reserve is American and controlled by the Amerian government. That’s a guise they use to cover they’re real agenda….currency control. The Federal Reserve is actually controlled by a few large investment banks around the world, one being the Rothschild bank of England in which the vatican has billions.

The EU (European Union) is growing in membership slowly and I think eventually will swollow American and render American ecomony null and void. American is already in such debt that our deficit is undeniable. And the economies of China, Indonesa, Japan are growing by leaps and bounds and because everything is merging slowly into a global agenda, America will be lost in the process.

Public education is losing to local control and is slowly moving toward’s state control and then national control which opens the door for communist indoctrinations.

If people would take the time to investigate everything and not take things at face value, they would be shocked and would then be able to see that underneath all the propagation and so called “noble causes” is actually the current of satanick global control that is slowly becoming universal. Yes, you are right. But thank goodness we have God’s Word and many educated and concerned Christian Leaders that care enough to get the word out and expose the smoke screens.