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Introducing the ECM (Part 5)

(By Phil Johnson)

This is a continuation of Phil’s seminar-transcript from the 2006 Shepherds’ Conference.

The “movement” is not monolithic

Not MonolithicBefore we move on, I want to reemphasize something important and elaborate on it just a bit: What I just gave you was a quick, broad-brush description of the “emerging church movement.” There are lots of nuances and differences within the movement.

Not everyone in the movement is saying exactly the same thing.

I already indicated, for example, that attitudes toward postmodernism vary within in the movement. Practically everyone in the movement will insist that they do not uncritically embrace every aspect of postmodernism, and that they are only trying to adapt their language and worship style in order to reach postmodern people.

Listen to what emergent leaders say about postmodernism, for example, and you will see that they don’t all agree among themselves completely about what’s good and what’s dangerous about postmodernism. Even Brian McLaren, who used to speak of postmodernism in glowing terms, lately seems to be trying to avoid references to the subject and now occasionally even denies that he himself is a full-on postmodernist.

So there are vast differences in style and opinion within the “emerging church movement”; the movement itsef is in flux and I want to acknowledge that.

For example, the British flavor of evangelical postmodernism tends to be somewhat less superficial than its American cousin. British emergents are normally more concerned about substance as opposed to style. They would tend to stress the missional aspects of the movement and see their philosophical and doctrinal differences with mainstream evangelicalism as secondary. One of the outstanding British figures in the “emerging church movement,” Andrew Jones, recently wrote an appeal to American emergents, urging them to get their act together.

I’m not suggesting that the “emerging church movement” in Britain is ultimately any more doctrinally sound or any less postmodern than the American version. It’s not. But it is, perhaps, a little more serious.

Then you have Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill in Seattle, who this time last year [Spring, 2005] might have been singled out as the quintessential “emerging church” leader. But last spring he wrote a letter to other pastors in his branch of the movement in which he said, “Let me agree that much of the church today is incredibly frustrating. Personally, when I hear so many young guys denying substitutionary atonement and the like after drinking from the emerging church toilet I turn green and my clothes don’t fit.”

Since then, Driscoll has spoken out several more times against the doctrinal ambiguity of the “emerging church movement,” and it is clear that he rejects the movement’s hostile attitude toward doctrine and propositional truth. Driscoll even appears to have stopped referring to himself as “emergent,” and he and the movement currently seem to have something of a love/hate relationship going.

Assuming Mark Driscoll is still (more or less) part of the movement, he would definitely represent the “conservative” wing. ([When this seminar was given] he had recently published tributes at his blog to Robert Schuller and Bono, the rock musician, so the word conservative would apply to him only in a relative sense.)

Oh, yeah…

Postmodern AmusementThat reminds me of a couple of other things I wanted to mention but can’t really take time to elaborate on. This may help you more than anything I have said so far to understand the flavor of the “emerging church movement”: Bono—the Irish rocker and politico of U2 fame—seems to be the unofficial icon of the movement. If you’ve been tuned into pop-culture at any time over the past two decades and know anything about Bono, that might help you to grasp something about the look and feel of the movement. (My favorite fact about Bono is that he named one of his sons “Elijah Bob Patricus Guggi-Q.”)

Anyway, Emergent types seem to quote Bono all the time. I would say that he sometimes seems to be the chief theologian of the “emerging church movement,” but in all fairness, that honor belongs more to John R. Franke and Stan Grenz. Grenz, sadly, died at a fairly young age about a year ago when an aneurism burst in his brain. But he and Franke are the two academic theologians who have done more than anyone else to blend postmodernism and theology into a kind of quasi-evangelical doctrine.

Again, I can’t elaborate on this at length in our short time frame, and I don’t want to take anything away from the scholarship and writing style of either John Franke or Stan Grenz, because intellectually, both of them were blessed with more brilliant minds than mine. But I am disturbed by the accommodations both men made to postmodernism, and I think the fruit of their work is manifestly disastrous.

However, if you want to begin to understand how anyone might try to write a theological justification for the irrational agglomeration of unorthodox ideas that is circulating in the “emerging church movement”, read the book these two men jointly authored, titled Beyond Foundationalism, subtitled “Shaping Theology in a Postmodern Context,” published by Westminster John Knox Press just five years ago.

12 Responses to “Introducing the ECM (Part 5)”

  1. on 04 Dec 2006 at 5:05 am andrew (tall skinny kiwi)

    phil. glad you are opening these posts up for comment. and thanks for your hard work in putting your thoughts together for this series.

    just to stop my British friends from jumping on me here, I have only lived in Britain for 3 years but am becoming ‘British’ in order to reach Brits and because this is our international base. I take it as a compliment that you call me British in your post today.

    As for my national heritage, i spend 17 years in New Zealand and ten years in USA. I left USA in 2000 to shift our base to Europe where we felt we could better assist the global emerging church movement.

    As for the “postmodern” bit, I stopped using the word in 1999 because of the confusion it was causing. I have mentioned it once or twice since then for clarification but i find it an unhelpful word in this church conversation unless it is explored in its wider context (aesthetics, power as well as knowledge). “Complexity” is a more helpful word to describe the emerging culture to which our Lord Jesus has sent us to preach the gospel and make disciples.

  2. on 04 Dec 2006 at 5:51 am albert

    Bono is one of my heroes. He is on a mission to save AIDS kids in Africa.

  3. on 04 Dec 2006 at 7:10 am donsands

    “unorthodox ideas”

    Orthodoxy is what Satan schemes to water down. The Gospel becomes powerless, and people’s hearts are not made alive, but they may in fact turn over a new leaf on life, and change their ways enough to make them feel good about themselves, as Mormons do.

    Also, Orthodoxy without love is empty.

    As Paul said, “And though I have prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, … and have not love, I am nothing. And though I give all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profits me nothing.” 1 Cor. 13:2-3

    If we are doing what we are doing for the glory of Christ, and with the love of Christ, speaking the truth in love, then we can “know that our labour is not in vain in the Lord.” 1 Cor. 15:58

  4. on 04 Dec 2006 at 9:55 am Josh

    Man I didn’t know that’s where Bono was coming from but it fits now that I read these articles. Wow. Next we’ll have metal bands playing at youth camps because they write songs about heaven.

    Josh
    “…the word of God is not bound.”
    –2 Timothy 2:9

  5. on 04 Dec 2006 at 9:59 am albert

    Bono is Irish, not Emergent.

  6. on 04 Dec 2006 at 10:25 am ewfunnell

    Mark Driscoll recently spoke at John Piper’s Desiring God Conference. You can down load his setions for free on the DG website. Other speakers included David Wells and Tim Keller. As well you can subscribe to the pod cast of DG (don’t know if it is still available.)

    Mark Driscoll, in my eyes, has separated him self from the EC movement. It seems he would explain his emergent flavor as being missional.

    He has great arguments, though I approach with an ear of caution, because I can’t quite grasp if he believes in the solo power of scripture to change lives or that being like the culture (in a non-moral sense) and scripture is the necessary one two punch. He begs the question “where is the line drawn between cultural methods and scriptural sufficiency drawn?”

    ewfunnell

  7. on 04 Dec 2006 at 11:21 am Jerry Morningstar

    Albert - Isn’t that kind of like pointing out that Arminius was Dutch and not an Armenian?

  8. on 04 Dec 2006 at 12:20 pm albert

    Indeed. At least one man finally understands me. ;)

  9. on 04 Dec 2006 at 11:06 pm Morris Brooks

    Preach on Don. I just shared that with my men’s bible study group earlier tonight. Also, one of the buzz phrases for the emerging church is “it’s all about life change.”

  10. on 05 Dec 2006 at 7:15 am donsands

    Morris,

    “men’s bible study group”

    We need about ten million more of those in our day. Keep on my brother.

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  12. on 23 Dec 2006 at 3:08 am Pastor Astor

    An american evangelical calling Bono the chief theologian of the EC… I am just so very glad that american evangelicalism has so clearly stood for orthodoxy, resisting every temptation to get the pure gospel mixed up with, say, nationalism, prosperity thinking, militarism and party politics. Humility and self reflection can be dangerous, it can make your argument seem weak.

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