Comments on: Common Questions about Lordship (Part 2) http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/ A Ministry of Shepherds' Fellowship Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:54:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kubecki.com » Blog Archive » MacArthur on Evangelizing Christians http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8009 Kubecki.com » Blog Archive » MacArthur on Evangelizing Christians Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:47:07 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-8009 [...] John MacArthur answers Common Questions about Lordship, including this one about witnessing to and evangelizing “professed” Christians: QUESTION: How should we act toward those who profess to be Christians but seem indifferent to spiritual things? [...] [...] John MacArthur answers Common Questions about Lordship, including this one about witnessing to and evangelizing “professed” Christians: QUESTION: How should we act toward those who profess to be Christians but seem indifferent to spiritual things? [...]

]]> By: Shane http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1348 Shane Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:00:52 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1348 I think most would agree that all believers will bear some fruit. I think one of the neglected diffences between a believer and the unsaved is the attitude toward sin. A believer who falls into open, extended sin, will never have any rest or peace of mind. He'll be tortured by the thought of sins, at least when he's alone by himself. The unsaved will care less. He'll say,"Don't worry man, live and let live." We have to careful of making sinful judgements. We don't know what's going on in someone's head and when their 'alone with God.' I think most would agree that all believers will bear some fruit. I think one of the neglected diffences between a believer and the unsaved is the attitude toward sin. A believer who falls into open, extended sin, will never have any rest or peace of mind. He’ll be tortured by the thought of sins, at least when he’s alone by himself. The unsaved will care less. He’ll say,”Don’t worry man, live and let live.” We have to careful of making sinful judgements. We don’t know what’s going on in someone’s head and when their ‘alone with God.’

]]> By: John S http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1084 John S Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:31:24 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1084 One of the popular false premises of the gospel is that Christ wants to take our "old life" and make it better. This can be called the "moral influence theory." The Apostle Paul did not say, I plus Christ. He did say, Not I, but Christ (Gal. 2:20). We also need to realize that the cross is the great center of all truth, other wise truth is not truth at all, it's just a way of living a good civil life. The Apostle Paul states that it is not "doing something" that we are "rooted and grounded in love" but "comprending ... the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know th love of Christ .. that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Therefore it is inevitable to understand that Christ referred to the first death as simply "sleep" (John 11:11). The curse of the law, which is sin, that is what Christ took for us (Gal 3:13), which is the second death (Rev 20:6). It had to be. He did not simply fall asleep for us. He tasted death for every man. For the wages of sin is death, not sleep, which is the death Lazarus experienced. NOW, ... we can see that Christ did not simply LEND his life for only 33 years. What is that to all eternity. Yet knowing He died our second death, Christ was willing to die for all eternity. My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? That's what all will go through that have not truly believed with the heart (Rom. 10:10). "For God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son." This is a much greater truth than the popular idea that we really don't die, we just are moved to another plane of existence, which is the hindu idea. A higher motivation of God's unfailing love is the primary theme of the Bible. A fear of hell, or reward of heaven would necessarily lead to an egocentric type of service. covenant-promise@comcast.net One of the popular false premises of the gospel is that Christ wants to take our “old life” and make it better. This can be called the “moral influence theory.” The Apostle Paul did not say, I plus Christ. He did say, Not I, but Christ (Gal. 2:20).

We also need to realize that the cross is the great center of all truth, other wise truth is not truth at all, it’s just a way of living a good civil life. The Apostle Paul states that it is not “doing something” that we are “rooted and grounded in love” but “comprending … the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know th love of Christ .. that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Therefore it is inevitable to understand that Christ referred to the first death as simply “sleep” (John 11:11). The curse of the law, which is sin, that is what Christ took for us (Gal 3:13), which is the second death (Rev 20:6). It had to be. He did not simply fall asleep for us. He tasted death for every man. For the wages of sin is death, not sleep, which is the death Lazarus experienced.
NOW, … we can see that Christ did not simply LEND his life for only 33 years. What is that to all eternity. Yet knowing He died our second death, Christ was willing to die for all eternity. My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me? That’s what all will go through that have not truly believed with the heart (Rom. 10:10). “For God so loved the world that He GAVE His only begotten Son.” This is a much greater truth than the popular idea that we really don’t die, we just are moved to another plane of existence, which is the hindu idea.
A higher motivation of God’s unfailing love is the primary theme of the Bible. A fear of hell, or reward of heaven would necessarily lead to an egocentric type of service. covenant-promise@comcast.net

]]> By: Jason Robertson http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1081 Jason Robertson Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:03:49 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1081 In John 10, Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice and follow me." Thus, the best thing we can do is preach the Gospel of Lordship that His sheep may hear His call. In John 10, Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice and follow me.” Thus, the best thing we can do is preach the Gospel of Lordship that His sheep may hear His call.

]]> By: The Armchair Theologian http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1080 The Armchair Theologian Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:37:17 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1080 Hmmm. I'm not sure I can express my agreement with this post in a creative way. Well, when in doubt, stick with my most tried and true medium: Haiku. There is a debate, About Lordship Salvation, Free Grace dudes are wrong. WOOT! YEAH BABY! Another blistering theological Haiku onslaught from The Armchair Theologian! Unleashing Haiku fury on the internet, and the place mats at Montana's Restaurant, since 1995! Hmmm. I’m not sure I can express my agreement with this post in a creative way. Well, when in doubt, stick with my most tried and true medium: Haiku.

There is a debate,
About Lordship Salvation,
Free Grace dudes are wrong.

WOOT! YEAH BABY! Another blistering theological Haiku onslaught from The Armchair Theologian! Unleashing Haiku fury on the internet, and the place mats at Montana’s Restaurant, since 1995!

]]> By: fewfindit http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1074 fewfindit Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:32:52 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1074 Matt. 10:28 Where is the repentent fear of the might, power, purity, holiness, glory, justice, righteousness, all knowing, all seeing God who gives life, and breath and being to all? Who can "live"(salvation; eternal life) who does not fear God, keep His commandments, live and breath, and give ALL for love of Him? Matt. 10:28
Where is the repentent fear of the might, power, purity, holiness, glory, justice, righteousness, all knowing, all seeing God who gives life, and breath and being to all?
Who can “live”(salvation; eternal life) who does not fear God, keep His commandments, live and breath, and give ALL for love of Him?

]]> By: Jacob http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1073 Jacob Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:26:12 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1073 "So we can be assured that God can work in the hearts of those we love in response to our prayers, even if the gospel they hear from some Christians is not complete." There's something in me that doesn't like the idea of true salvation through an incomplete gospel. In fact, there's something in me that REALLY doesn't like that. It is my own conviction based on 1cor 1:17 that unless the preached gospel is complete it is no gospel at all. In those cases where an incomplete gospel is preached, it is not that those preaching do not know the real gospel, but it is that in their own wisdom they leave out what they think will only deter people away and thus they make the gospel "of no effect". The gospel comes as the gospel or it doesn't come at all, there's no half gospels or three-quarter gospels. What I'm trying to say is that Yes! I do question the faith of those who respond to incomplete gospels whether that be a "no-lordship message" or some other message. So that's my take on that, let me know where I go wrong in my thinking or where I go right, I feel pretty strongly on this, but let the righteous smite me, it will be a blessing. “So we can be assured that God can work in the hearts of those we love in response to our prayers, even if the gospel they hear from some Christians is not complete.”

There’s something in me that doesn’t like the idea of true salvation through an incomplete gospel. In fact, there’s something in me that REALLY doesn’t like that. It is my own conviction based on 1cor 1:17 that unless the preached gospel is complete it is no gospel at all. In those cases where an incomplete gospel is preached, it is not that those preaching do not know the real gospel, but it is that in their own wisdom they leave out what they think will only deter people away and thus they make the gospel “of no effect”. The gospel comes as the gospel or it doesn’t come at all, there’s no half gospels or three-quarter gospels. What I’m trying to say is that Yes! I do question the faith of those who respond to incomplete gospels whether that be a “no-lordship message” or some other message.

So that’s my take on that, let me know where I go wrong in my thinking or where I go right, I feel pretty strongly on this, but let the righteous smite me, it will be a blessing.

]]> By: Mark Pierson http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 Mark Pierson Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:47:50 +0000 http://www.sfpulpit.com/2006/10/23/common-questions-about-lordship-part-2/#comment-1070 "I am confident that those being drawn by the Father and convicted by the Holy Spirit will not be turned away by the straightforward truth of his Word." Amen! “I am confident that those being drawn by the Father and convicted by the Holy Spirit will not be turned away by the straightforward truth of his Word.”

Amen!

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