That’s news to me. LOL

“I’m surprised by the change in your tone. I put that together, and it took some time, because you requested it. Did you expect it to be easily ripped into, and thus was a dissapointment?”

It is easy in writing to get the wrong impression. My ‘tone’ hasnt’t changed. I did look at your view of regeneration and it is what I expected.

Jenson

I’m surprised by the change in your tone. I put that together, and it took some time, because you requested it. Did you expect it to be easily ripped into, and thus was a dissapointment?

You wrote:

If you wish to critique the “opposite” view, you will need to tell us what you know about it first. If not, all I (and other readers) will be reading your own views (as you said it, “my views on regeneration.”)

Sincerely,
Jenson

I admitted my lack of knowledge. If your branch of baptists didn’t originate with the anabaptists I was unaware of that.

May God richly bless every aspect of your life.

I looked at the link, nice try.

Firstly,
1) Bob Wilkin is a familiar name to us, who is Kerry Gilliard?

2) GES announced that Bob won, what do you expect?

If a professing “Christian” still lives like a worldling and have no sense of what true repentance is, I will find it hard to call him a “brother” or “sister”-in-Christ, regardless of what GES, Antonio, or you say.

Also, why do people like yourself like to link Anabaptists with Calvinistic Baptists? Do you realise that it is a mistake?

Jenson

Jodie

Basically you guess right that I’m not up on the creeds or the finer points that divide Reformed oriented Christians theologically and historically.

I know that at one point the Reformers were drowning the poor Anabaptists. But by the 1689 Confession the two became one, right? Wasn’t Spurgeon within this TULIP oriented line of descent?

Do you think MacArthur has downplayed his dispensationalism so much that he’s somewhat more in you theological camp at this point?

I’d appreciate you referring me to good sources on this topic.

If your question on historic Christianity is broader than this topic let me know…

God bless.

Jodie

…finally: Regeneration

a) God sovereignly elects people to regeneration. Eph 1:4 On this topic, God also elects some to the kind of suffering and faithfulness that he will reward at the Judgment seat of Christ. Matthew 20:16 2 Peter 1:9-11 Matthew 19:28 John 21:18

b) All men are effectively deceived by the strategic Satan 2 Cor 4:4

c) No man seeks God on his own. Romans 3:11

d) All men are drawn to Christ. John 12:32

e) All men are convicted of sin, righteousness and judgment. Jn 16:8

f) Most men do not receive these inner witnesses. Matt 7:14 John 1:11 The Spirit may well cease to illuminate them to the light of the Gospel. Mat 12:31

g) The Spirit continues to illuminate the open-minded elect to the truth of Christ using the instrument of the word of God. 1 Peter 1:23

h) The word of God breaks apart the deception and reveals the truth of Christ as Provider of eternal life and Guarantor of future resurrection. John 11:25 John 6:40

i) When the truth has been fully revealed to the sinner, they do not decide to believe, they believe. This is not a decision. Romans 4:21 Psalm 62:1

j) At the moment of belief, eternal salvation happens: the person is justified and born again, meaning regeneration. Galatians 2:16 Jas 1:18

k) Regeneration is the gift of eternal life, but it is really the life of the second Person of the Trinity. It is perfect and holy and is never part of sin. 1 John 5:20 1 John 3:9 James 1:17

l) In practice, FG people expect to see a change of attitude and behavior in any new believer. All normal believers walk in love. Col 3:1 Eph 1:15

m) The question for a new believer (and an older believer, and even oneself) is whether one has believed the claim of Christ concerning His being the Life and the Resurrection. John 3:18

Hey, notice that people who are adamantly against the Lordship of Christ are not led by the Spirit toward Christ! See (f). The idea that FG assumes that people who reject the lordship of Christ get saved is therefore not exactly accurate, though I know this has probably been unintentional. They are saved apart from this question, but at a practical level the Spirit’s witness doesn’t get that far.

Hope this helps to add some context.

God bless.

2) You will need to prove that you actually know what historic Christianity is all about. I have my doubts about your knowledge of historic Christianity.

If you wish to critique the “opposite” view, you will need to tell us what you know about it first. If not, all I (and other readers) will be reading your own views (as you said it, “my views on regeneration.”)

Look forward in reading it!

Sincerely,
Jenson

God bless.