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		<title>By: ohiowitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohiowitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone Please view the April 19 released documentary film EXPELLED. This highlights how scientists who even dare mention &quot;intelligent design&quot; are denounced or &quot;expelled&quot; from classrooms and academic positions. This film was recently reviewed in WORLD magazine, along with an interview with Ben Stein the writer / producer of EXPELLED. Marvin Olasky in his comments on the film, refers to how the eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th century applied evolutionary concepts to a social breeding theory for humans. This influenced the German science and Nazi concept of breeding a superior race. This is well documented in literature of the time, but indeed is the logical outcome of adopting human evolutionary concepts. Beliefs have consequences. This &quot;eugenics&quot; concept may arise again in the future under a different name, especially when resource scarcity may be used as a reason to allow &quot;only the fittest&quot; to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone Please view the April 19 released documentary film EXPELLED. This highlights how scientists who even dare mention &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; are denounced or &#8220;expelled&#8221; from classrooms and academic positions. This film was recently reviewed in WORLD magazine, along with an interview with Ben Stein the writer / producer of EXPELLED. Marvin Olasky in his comments on the film, refers to how the eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th century applied evolutionary concepts to a social breeding theory for humans. This influenced the German science and Nazi concept of breeding a superior race. This is well documented in literature of the time, but indeed is the logical outcome of adopting human evolutionary concepts. Beliefs have consequences. This &#8220;eugenics&#8221; concept may arise again in the future under a different name, especially when resource scarcity may be used as a reason to allow &#8220;only the fittest&#8221; to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron English</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Amen and amen!</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Gilley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Gilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this subject - the &quot;Creation Museum&quot; is well worth the trip and cost to experience. 
It is a stagering acheivement and will bring a tear to the eye of those who fight to defend the literal understanding of the creation week and the deluge of Noah. 
An absolute breath of fresh air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this subject &#8211; the &#8220;Creation Museum&#8221; is well worth the trip and cost to experience.<br />
It is a stagering acheivement and will bring a tear to the eye of those who fight to defend the literal understanding of the creation week and the deluge of Noah.<br />
An absolute breath of fresh air.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it all depends on point of view. I am not speaking about how your interpret the Bible, because I believe that the bible has to be taken literally and I do so. But I was speaking about the point of view of the people who look upon the bible as foolish and completely devoid of logic. I have often tried to look at the Big Bang/ evolution with the same point of view and I have found it to be equally if not more  incredible to believe for a normal man were it not masked under the name of science. 

For example according to a simple view have a look at big bang which is only a theory. It says that the whole vast universe of which we have seen less that 2% with all our telescopes and other things came out of a very very very tiny particle of infinite density which could not even be seen. So literally speaking everything so vast came out of something which could not even be seen. and literally saying its &quot;everything came out of nothing&quot; because there was nothing to be seen really..(According to science seeing is believing) And creation in the BIble says that God spoke the worlds into existence which is also that he created everything from nothing. So as far as I can see Both of them say that same thing that everything came from literally nothing (Big Bang). So I can&#039;t see the point where people who believe science should say that we who believe in the creation are stupid for our beliefs when its really not different from theirs. I don&#039;t know if it looks foolish to some but honestly if you think from a clear point of view Bing bang looks equally if not more incredible. 

Forgive me if I be a bit more stupid and lets take the case of evolution. Scientists and evolutionists say that its not possible that a huge number of changes can happen in one go but a very small chance change and happen in a million years and hence its those millions of chance changes in the billions of years which have brought about the present world. So something as complex as a human being was developed by chance and a series of chance mutations. But let&#039;s tells scientists whats the chance or .. take some iron converting itself into a truck (which is very well designed yet less complex than even the smallest bacteria) given a million years and eveolutionists would laugh. But why? Cant a piece of steel undergo a million changes in billion years and come out as a finished truck? huh? and besides another thing which scientists say is that the conditions in other planets are not favourable for life. yet they say that the single celled organisms which made it to earth adapted to the climate and environment on earth and so it mutated. But why did not any single celled organism not adapt itself to any other planet. After all in the solar system itself we have other 2 - 3 bodies which have ice and water. I think these are things which even a person who believes in evolution and big band think about. 

Sorry if I were a bit foolish here :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it all depends on point of view. I am not speaking about how your interpret the Bible, because I believe that the bible has to be taken literally and I do so. But I was speaking about the point of view of the people who look upon the bible as foolish and completely devoid of logic. I have often tried to look at the Big Bang/ evolution with the same point of view and I have found it to be equally if not more  incredible to believe for a normal man were it not masked under the name of science. </p>
<p>For example according to a simple view have a look at big bang which is only a theory. It says that the whole vast universe of which we have seen less that 2% with all our telescopes and other things came out of a very very very tiny particle of infinite density which could not even be seen. So literally speaking everything so vast came out of something which could not even be seen. and literally saying its &#8220;everything came out of nothing&#8221; because there was nothing to be seen really..(According to science seeing is believing) And creation in the BIble says that God spoke the worlds into existence which is also that he created everything from nothing. So as far as I can see Both of them say that same thing that everything came from literally nothing (Big Bang). So I can&#8217;t see the point where people who believe science should say that we who believe in the creation are stupid for our beliefs when its really not different from theirs. I don&#8217;t know if it looks foolish to some but honestly if you think from a clear point of view Bing bang looks equally if not more incredible. </p>
<p>Forgive me if I be a bit more stupid and lets take the case of evolution. Scientists and evolutionists say that its not possible that a huge number of changes can happen in one go but a very small chance change and happen in a million years and hence its those millions of chance changes in the billions of years which have brought about the present world. So something as complex as a human being was developed by chance and a series of chance mutations. But let&#8217;s tells scientists whats the chance or .. take some iron converting itself into a truck (which is very well designed yet less complex than even the smallest bacteria) given a million years and eveolutionists would laugh. But why? Cant a piece of steel undergo a million changes in billion years and come out as a finished truck? huh? and besides another thing which scientists say is that the conditions in other planets are not favourable for life. yet they say that the single celled organisms which made it to earth adapted to the climate and environment on earth and so it mutated. But why did not any single celled organism not adapt itself to any other planet. After all in the solar system itself we have other 2 &#8211; 3 bodies which have ice and water. I think these are things which even a person who believes in evolution and big band think about. </p>
<p>Sorry if I were a bit foolish here <img src='http://www.sfpulpit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The_Armchair_Theologian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Armchair_Theologian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two ideas here that I had in reading some of the posting:

1.  WHY are so many people tempted to take Genesis as metaphor?

2.  If the various component parts of the message are untrue, how can the final message be true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two ideas here that I had in reading some of the posting:</p>
<p>1.  WHY are so many people tempted to take Genesis as metaphor?</p>
<p>2.  If the various component parts of the message are untrue, how can the final message be true?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some parts of the Bible are very obviously to be taken as metaphor or illustration.  The prodigal son in Jesus&#039; parable is not a historical figure.

I understand that the first three chapters of Genesis present themselves differently-- as history.  Part of Jesus&#039; genealogy, ultimately.  But I don&#039;t think it changes the message and meaning of Jesus to say that some of that history might not be 100% spot-on, and even that the first three chapters of Genesis are basically myth.  The *point* remains the same: we are all fallen sinners in need of redemption, and Jesus provides that redemption.  And yes, I&#039;m suggesting that parts of the Bible are more reliable than others.  66 different books here.  And no, I don&#039;t think it makes me or anyone else less saved to assert such a thing.

But don&#039;t take my word for it.  No less a biblical literalist that J. Gresham Machen writes (in Christianity and Liberalism, chapter 3, paragraph 15):

&quot;There are many men in the modern Church who thus accept the central message of the Bible and yet believe that the message has come to us merely on the authority of trustworthy witnesses unaided in their literary work by any supernatural guidance of the Spirit of God. There are many who believe that the Bible is right at the central point, in its account of the redeeming work of Christ, and yet believe that it contains many errors. Such men are not really liberals, but Christians; because they have accepted as true the message upon which Christianity depends. A great gulf separates them from those who reject the supernatural act of God with which Christianity stands or falls.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some parts of the Bible are very obviously to be taken as metaphor or illustration.  The prodigal son in Jesus&#8217; parable is not a historical figure.</p>
<p>I understand that the first three chapters of Genesis present themselves differently&#8211; as history.  Part of Jesus&#8217; genealogy, ultimately.  But I don&#8217;t think it changes the message and meaning of Jesus to say that some of that history might not be 100% spot-on, and even that the first three chapters of Genesis are basically myth.  The *point* remains the same: we are all fallen sinners in need of redemption, and Jesus provides that redemption.  And yes, I&#8217;m suggesting that parts of the Bible are more reliable than others.  66 different books here.  And no, I don&#8217;t think it makes me or anyone else less saved to assert such a thing.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t take my word for it.  No less a biblical literalist that J. Gresham Machen writes (in Christianity and Liberalism, chapter 3, paragraph 15):</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many men in the modern Church who thus accept the central message of the Bible and yet believe that the message has come to us merely on the authority of trustworthy witnesses unaided in their literary work by any supernatural guidance of the Spirit of God. There are many who believe that the Bible is right at the central point, in its account of the redeeming work of Christ, and yet believe that it contains many errors. Such men are not really liberals, but Christians; because they have accepted as true the message upon which Christianity depends. A great gulf separates them from those who reject the supernatural act of God with which Christianity stands or falls.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnny mac! Thank you for being so trustworthy when it comes to truth, in fact, the most rigorous test of my faith that I can imagine would be to hear you say something unmistakably and unbiblically wrong.  So stay faithful, the Lord is a rewarder... I have too much warfare going on right now anyway to deal with something like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnny mac! Thank you for being so trustworthy when it comes to truth, in fact, the most rigorous test of my faith that I can imagine would be to hear you say something unmistakably and unbiblically wrong.  So stay faithful, the Lord is a rewarder&#8230; I have too much warfare going on right now anyway to deal with something like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason said: &quot;So what if a Christian takes the Genesis account as a metaphor? Does that make him any less of a Christian?&quot;

It makes him a wrong Christian, if he&#039;s even a Christian in the first place.

&quot;I was always under the impression that the sacrifice of Christ was the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity. At least, that’s what the Bible says.&quot;

You argue that one part of the bible can be taken metaphorically, but then argue that the bible in other places is authoritative. Which is it? By what criteria has God handed down for us to decide? Our wisdom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason said: &#8220;So what if a Christian takes the Genesis account as a metaphor? Does that make him any less of a Christian?&#8221;</p>
<p>It makes him a wrong Christian, if he&#8217;s even a Christian in the first place.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was always under the impression that the sacrifice of Christ was the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity. At least, that’s what the Bible says.&#8221;</p>
<p>You argue that one part of the bible can be taken metaphorically, but then argue that the bible in other places is authoritative. Which is it? By what criteria has God handed down for us to decide? Our wisdom?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Armchair_Theologian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Armchair_Theologian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the gospel START with Christ?  Do you not need some &quot;bad news&quot; (like the creation and fall) before the &quot;good news&quot; appears to actually be good?

I mean, when you tell someone about the gospel, do you simply say &quot;Jesus died for your sins...&quot; or do you start by explaining what sin is, where it comes from, etc.?

I don&#039;t know about where you live (and I&#039;m learning that a lot of Yankees come from a &#039;Christianized&#039; upbringing where the word &quot;sin&quot; still means &quot;doing bad stuff&quot;, which is closer than the Canadians I know!), but where I&#039;m from, the response to a gospel message I always hear is &quot;So what?  Jesus was stupid and he died.  What does that have to do with me?  Sucks to be him!&quot;

If people don&#039;t understand why they NEED Christ, they won&#039;t understand the gospel at all.  That&#039;s one reason why Genesis is important...though I can think of at least 2 more if you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the gospel START with Christ?  Do you not need some &#8220;bad news&#8221; (like the creation and fall) before the &#8220;good news&#8221; appears to actually be good?</p>
<p>I mean, when you tell someone about the gospel, do you simply say &#8220;Jesus died for your sins&#8230;&#8221; or do you start by explaining what sin is, where it comes from, etc.?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about where you live (and I&#8217;m learning that a lot of Yankees come from a &#8216;Christianized&#8217; upbringing where the word &#8220;sin&#8221; still means &#8220;doing bad stuff&#8221;, which is closer than the Canadians I know!), but where I&#8217;m from, the response to a gospel message I always hear is &#8220;So what?  Jesus was stupid and he died.  What does that have to do with me?  Sucks to be him!&#8221;</p>
<p>If people don&#8217;t understand why they NEED Christ, they won&#8217;t understand the gospel at all.  That&#8217;s one reason why Genesis is important&#8230;though I can think of at least 2 more if you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if a Christian takes the Genesis account as a metaphor?  Does that make him any less of a Christian?

Also:
&quot;As Christians, we believe the Bible is truth revealed to us by God, who is the true Creator of the universe. That belief is the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity.&quot;

I strongly disagree with this.  I was always under the impression that the sacrifice of Christ was the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity.  At least, that&#039;s what the Bible says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if a Christian takes the Genesis account as a metaphor?  Does that make him any less of a Christian?</p>
<p>Also:<br />
&#8220;As Christians, we believe the Bible is truth revealed to us by God, who is the true Creator of the universe. That belief is the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with this.  I was always under the impression that the sacrifice of Christ was the basic foundation of all genuine Christianity.  At least, that&#8217;s what the Bible says.</p>
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