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	<title>Comments on: The Wrong Kind of Unity</title>
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		<title>By: K. Hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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I think your response to Ken Silva was wrong.  Why, because what you believe is reflected in your practices, you methodology, your fruit. You, probably don&#039;t realize the magnitude of the Lectio Divina and Labyrinth prayer, and prayer stations being embraced by the Church. I don&#039;t care how clever Tony Jones is, he said the Bible is an f-ing scary book.  We should not bless, as Don Sands did Kimball or his church. Endorsements of the ooze, prayer stations, and other deviant practices are part of Vintage Faith. It does matter and is relevent to the thread.  Mark Driscoll and Dan Kimball are chamelions, and they retract or remove what they say. I always remembered what you said to distance yourself from all things emergent. I am weary of hearing, he such a nice guy, we had a nice talk, the devil had a nice talk with Eve, while deceiving her.  Psalm 1-don&#039;t sit in the sit of scoffers, and consider they may have some common-faith.
Myself and others have experienced the movement&#039;s infiltration first-hand-they will try and convince you that they are sound, they believe all the right stuff, but their fruit in their churches proves other wise.</description>
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<p>I think your response to Ken Silva was wrong.  Why, because what you believe is reflected in your practices, you methodology, your fruit. You, probably don&#8217;t realize the magnitude of the Lectio Divina and Labyrinth prayer, and prayer stations being embraced by the Church. I don&#8217;t care how clever Tony Jones is, he said the Bible is an f-ing scary book.  We should not bless, as Don Sands did Kimball or his church. Endorsements of the ooze, prayer stations, and other deviant practices are part of Vintage Faith. It does matter and is relevent to the thread.  Mark Driscoll and Dan Kimball are chamelions, and they retract or remove what they say. I always remembered what you said to distance yourself from all things emergent. I am weary of hearing, he such a nice guy, we had a nice talk, the devil had a nice talk with Eve, while deceiving her.  Psalm 1-don&#8217;t sit in the sit of scoffers, and consider they may have some common-faith.<br />
Myself and others have experienced the movement&#8217;s infiltration first-hand-they will try and convince you that they are sound, they believe all the right stuff, but their fruit in their churches proves other wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Aquinas thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Aquinas thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goal of human life
In Aquinas&#039;s thought, the goal of human existence is union and eternal fellowship with God. Specifically, this goal is achieved through the beatific vision, an event in which a person experiences perfect, unending happiness by comprehending the very essence of God. This vision, which occurs after death, is a gift from God given to those who have experienced salvation and redemption through Jesus Christ while living on earth.

This ultimate goal carries implications for one&#039;s present life on earth. Aquinas stated that an individual&#039;s will must be ordered toward right things, such as charity, peace, and holiness. He sees this as the way to happiness. Aquinas orders his treatment of the moral life around the idea of happiness. The relationship between will and goal is antecedent in nature &quot;because rectitude of the will consists in being duly ordered to the last end [that is, the beatific vision].&quot; Those who truly seek to understand and see God will necessarily love what God loves. Such love requires morality and bears fruit in everyday human choices.</description>
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In Aquinas&#8217;s thought, the goal of human existence is union and eternal fellowship with God. Specifically, this goal is achieved through the beatific vision, an event in which a person experiences perfect, unending happiness by comprehending the very essence of God. This vision, which occurs after death, is a gift from God given to those who have experienced salvation and redemption through Jesus Christ while living on earth.</p>
<p>This ultimate goal carries implications for one&#8217;s present life on earth. Aquinas stated that an individual&#8217;s will must be ordered toward right things, such as charity, peace, and holiness. He sees this as the way to happiness. Aquinas orders his treatment of the moral life around the idea of happiness. The relationship between will and goal is antecedent in nature &#8220;because rectitude of the will consists in being duly ordered to the last end [that is, the beatific vision].&#8221; Those who truly seek to understand and see God will necessarily love what God loves. Such love requires morality and bears fruit in everyday human choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Hidden One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hidden One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the big unity difference between Catholics and Protestants is that dis-unity over doctrine is not allowed in the Catholic Church. 

And I believe that a big injustice is done when supposed catholics professing heresy are said to be Catholics. If a Baptist (in exemplum) decided that God was evil, and gained a following, refusing correction, would he be Baptist still? (I would hope not.)

Sincerely in Christ,
Hidden One.</description>
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<p>And I believe that a big injustice is done when supposed catholics professing heresy are said to be Catholics. If a Baptist (in exemplum) decided that God was evil, and gained a following, refusing correction, would he be Baptist still? (I would hope not.)</p>
<p>Sincerely in Christ,<br />
Hidden One.</p>
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		<title>By: dan macy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan macy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m new to the net discussions about christian unity, but am elated to see that so many people are talking about this; things have changed since i was a youngster in the 50s. in those days, it was primarily a &quot;you are wrong, and we are right&quot; mentality.

Clearly, Jesus dreams of us all being one, and so we need to be open to this dream. i tend to think that religious leaders will NOT play a big part in the realization of this dream. leadership always involves lots of power and territory. as you say, organizational unity may not be a reasonable, or perhaps even desirable, goal, although i&#039;m sure that many leaders see this as the only option.

but when ordinary christians are together, we are frequently inspired and energized by our common love for Jesus. it seems to me that anything done to promote common experience and sharing among us ordinary christians would do a great deal to promote christian unity.  i would encourage common times and events for  prayer, food, and music.</description>
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<p>Clearly, Jesus dreams of us all being one, and so we need to be open to this dream. i tend to think that religious leaders will NOT play a big part in the realization of this dream. leadership always involves lots of power and territory. as you say, organizational unity may not be a reasonable, or perhaps even desirable, goal, although i&#8217;m sure that many leaders see this as the only option.</p>
<p>but when ordinary christians are together, we are frequently inspired and energized by our common love for Jesus. it seems to me that anything done to promote common experience and sharing among us ordinary christians would do a great deal to promote christian unity.  i would encourage common times and events for  prayer, food, and music.</p>
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